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03-18-2010 , 07:51 PM
thanks for the replies. when he 6 bet me on the turn, i was like "damn, he has T8" and called the river bet. he had 8d5d.

i just wanted to check if my thinking on the turn was faulty because i put so many bets in. i thought it was much more likely that he had a set since i raised pre-flop. to be honest 58 never entered my mind, i was thinking after that 6th bet about T8.

thanks again for the replies, this is definately helping me get better. imo this thread is one of the best on 2+2, if not the best.
03-18-2010 , 09:39 PM
sometimes idk whats going through my head.

i took out a cigarette, then proceeded to take out another cigarette to light that cigarette.
03-18-2010 , 11:00 PM
man plo is great. played 10/20 plo live today. kq72r>kjjt flop kk9 then i c/c twice after 9 turn blank riv. qj88 with 2 hearts loses to tt72 that calls raise pf then just calls 3x on kt278. akqj loses to kxxx with 2 clubs on kq5 with 2 clubs when i have a club in my hand and someone else call/folded the flop with a flush draw. and then a tilting psycho hits a 2 outter to double up then the next hand flops nut flush vs my 2nd nut flush so obv i have to double up his doubled up stack instead.
03-18-2010 , 11:03 PM
I fckn hate PLO. Prob more variance than lhe.
03-18-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
I don't see how that's any different than what surfdoc said. Assuming the guy's "job" is to maximize your EV on tax filing (deductions - risk of audit and all that jazz).
It's a big assumption to think that your tax preparer is valuing the risk of audit the same as you would, esp. when a tax preparer gets paid more if you are audited. But even if they didn't have that bias, the tax preparer has clients that want every deduction possible and others who want limited audit risk, and even if you tell your preparer which way you lean, that doesn't mean their judgment about what you want is actually what you want.

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To put it another way, if you believe you are more confident in what tax stuff will give you deductions, what will minimize your audit risk, and how to handle the complex stuff you mentioned, why pay the guy at all?
Two eyes are better than one, and I'm not a trained tax professional so he does know stuff I don't know. Most of the 20 hours is just organizing my records properly to calculate my income and deductions properly, and I'm the best person to do that.

One example today was a stock that paid a large cash distribution a few years ago, that I sold last year. If a tax preparer reviewed my brokerage statements they would have missed the distribution because the brokerage statements don't tell you where it came from. It actually needs to be deducted from that position's basis, which means that the preparer would have under-reported my income. I would have paid less in taxes, but if the IRS audited me I'd have a big potential liability and penalty, one that I would have been totally unaware of.

It's fine to use a tax professional, but double check their work and understand their assumptions. Too many americans have found themselves in hot water with the IRS because their preparer screwed up or pushed some boundary the client never wanted pushed.
03-19-2010 , 12:24 AM
Thanks for the reply, I definitely am interested in the general subject because I pay $500+ a year to either a tax attorney or accountant (changed a year ago) and I understand my fairly simple tax stuff well enough to potentially do it on my own. It does get a bit more complicated every year.

Btw, this is totally random, but will you be taking advantage of the 2010 Roth conversion loophole? If so, I wonder if you would be willing to write a primer for my benefit as well as a lot of other people around here who could potentially use this program.
03-19-2010 , 12:49 AM
Woo WOOOOOOOOOO. In less than 12 hours I will be in Vegas drinking beer. Better get to bed cause I will probably get more sleep tonight than I will get the next 3 nights combined.
03-19-2010 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by David2+2
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03-19-2010 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
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Btw, this is totally random, but will you be taking advantage of the 2010 Roth conversion loophole? If so, I wonder if you would be willing to write a primer for my benefit as well as a lot of other people around here who could potentially use this program.
I've never been interested in the Roth maybe because I hate paying taxes up front, and I hate trusting my government to keep their promises, i.e. I worry that they'll change the rules and tax or partially tax distributions. I won't admit that it's probably that I am a bit older than most of you, and that means my opportunity to earn back those prepaid taxes before retirement quite a bit shorter.
03-19-2010 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MitchL
I fckn hate PLO. Prob more variance than lhe.
any time ive played plo ive either left the casino very happy or very unhappy, ive never experienced any in-between emotions like i have in every other form of poker.
03-19-2010 , 02:29 AM
damn, it's been a while since I've posted here. Anyway, going to vegas tomorrow for the weekend and have been thinking a bit about poker. plan to run really hot at sports betting this weekend.

who else is going to be around?
03-19-2010 , 03:05 AM
Zee is in the Bay Area and was talking about a dinner get together. Any locals interested should post in his thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ncisco-737151/
03-19-2010 , 04:52 AM
On a scale of 1-10, how bad is folding 79o on your first hand of a session in the natural big blind, in a kill pot, where 7 of the 8 non blind players limp, and the drooler in the small blind looks at his card and clearly thinks "I has pair, i raize".

On a scale of 1-100, how tilted are we that the flop is JT8r, followed by a K and a 2 to complete the rainbow, and we would have taken down a pot that was approx 50 big bets in the games natural limit.

Can we just rack up and leave?
03-19-2010 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbs.
damn, it's been a while since I've posted here. Anyway, going to vegas tomorrow for the weekend and have been thinking a bit about poker. plan to run really hot at sports betting this weekend.

who else is going to be around?
You suck at reading posts. Less than 2 hours and I am on my flight!
03-19-2010 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DannyLew
On a scale of 1-10, how bad is folding 79o on your first hand of a session in the natural big blind, in a kill pot, where 7 of the 8 non blind players limp, and the drooler in the small blind looks at his card and clearly thinks "I has pair, i raize".

On a scale of 1-100, how tilted are we that the flop is JT8r, followed by a K and a 2 to complete the rainbow, and we would have taken down a pot that was approx 50 big bets in the games natural limit.

Can we just rack up and leave?
Eh, preflop can go either way, and it may usually be best not go get stuck a lot the first hand which a raised kill pot with 8 players in could do because you will have odds to chase the whole way, so you may be stuck half a rack right away and put you in a horrible mood, so I can go either way.

As for being tilted after the fact, being results oriented is never good for your game. If that makes you want to leave right away, then you really must play short sessions because that **** is gonna happen time and time again.
03-19-2010 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Well at 4 I would think that I may be behind, but I would still probably 5 bet and then cry call down.
He's ******ed and going ape**** with 2 pair. Raising twice isn't even "ape****" yet.
03-19-2010 , 09:51 AM
i am the hottest running 40 player ever. fact. two five-figure forty sessions this month both of which had zero short handed play. just don't let me go near a black chip...
03-19-2010 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
i am the hottest running 40 player ever. fact. two five-figure forty sessions this month both of which had zero short handed play. just don't let me go near a black chip...
enjoy my sklansky bux
03-19-2010 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Eh, preflop can go either way, and it may usually be best not go get stuck a lot the first hand which a raised kill pot with 8 players in could do because you will have odds to chase the whole way, so you may be stuck half a rack right away and put you in a horrible mood, so I can go either way.

As for being tilted after the fact, being results oriented is never good for your game. If that makes you want to leave right away, then you really must play short sessions because that **** is gonna happen time and time again.
Eh, it didn't legit tilt me, it was just a laugh and a sigh. I did stay for my small blind atleast

In other news, a... less then good player.. in the game sat down with the min buy in for the table, declaring that he "lost his bankroll yesterday" (lol). He proceeds to post in mid position, win 5 straight hands, and racks up and leave with a rack that he didnt have before.. nh gg sir?
03-19-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyLew
On a scale of 1-10, how bad is folding 79o on your first hand of a session in the natural big blind, in a kill pot, where 7 of the 8 non blind players limp, and the drooler in the small blind looks at his card and clearly thinks "I has pair, i raize".
I fold so fast the cards nearly melt.

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On a scale of 1-100, how tilted are we that the flop is JT8r, followed by a K and a 2 to complete the rainbow, and we would have taken down a pot that was approx 50 big bets in the games natural limit.

Can we just rack up and leave?
Standard.
03-19-2010 , 03:32 PM
Playing $1-$2 no limit while waiting for a seat in a bigger game. Limped pot (6 ppl) and I have 4h2h in the big blind.

Flop comes Qs 3h 6h. I end up getting it all in vs a short stack, thinking I can't be too bad against his hand range, but no, he has the worst possible hand, Qh 5h.

I win regardless.
03-19-2010 , 05:13 PM
God, I must have the nittiest image ever if people are check-raise-folding the turn on boards where they're never (semi)bluffing, i.e. AQ9-K.

Time to start turning my top pairs into 3-bet bluffs I guess.
03-19-2010 , 05:41 PM
Hey guys! Even though I am not a limit player, decided to post here and see if some of you might be interested.

We're starting a coaching site with another poker player. We are currently looking for coaches who would like to submit coaching videos to us for screening. While we can't give details right now about benefits, coaches can expect pecuniary compensation. Anyone interested in this please send me a pm.
03-19-2010 , 05:49 PM
pecuniary compensation --- that sounds valuable!
03-19-2010 , 05:49 PM
I'd love to see a coaching video from Fianchetto.

      
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