Yeah, IMO keep personal disputes off the forum unless they relate to watch resale discounts vis-a-vis +/-EV calculations. Those are funny.

It's okay. Edwin will just run away and find another forum.

Did you know the human head weighs.........

Took the wife and 10 yr old daughter to the LB Aquarium a few weeks back. Hanging from the ceiling they have a rep of a blue. My kid had no idea of the immense size of it. Even when we go to Maui in the winter and go on a whale watch, when you get to see a humpbacks up close it still is quite amazing

I'd take pick 'em this myth woukd be debunked if we cracked leo open.

My next OOT thread:

Giraffe v. leo doc.

Actually I've got to wait a week or two for my next OOT thread which is going to be a tribute to Al Leong.

Will somebody pleeeeeeze remind me to never accept a guest appearance on Myth Busters.

Dude it's totally safe I've been watching ER on NetFlix for like a year now we just finished season 9. Between my observation of ER practices and SurfDoc's actual medical knowledge we can crack you open and measure that thing no problem.

We could also make it best two organs out of three if you somehow lose on the ticker.

Serious question:

If I play in very aggressive (by live game standards) 40/80 game that is often short handed (sometimes 9 handed, but often more like 6-7 and sometimes as low as 4-5) with several talented LAGs, what is a reasonable estimate of my StDev/hour? Does anybody have data for something like this? I'm welcoming guesses.

I would ask in small stakes shorthanded...some players like Boc or Trypt etc. who have logged lots of hands at 15/30 + 6max gotta have a decent feel for it.

There is no 40 game in the country that's comparable to 15 or higher online. Jesse, I obv haven't played a ton with you, but there are like 3 or 4 regs in all of the south bay that aren't completely horrendous.

Jesse,

I would say your typical short handed live 40 game is going to be more like the loose spazzy 3/6-5/10 online games. My Std Dev is 18.39BB/100 there fwiw.

That number is on par with what I've heard from other sources. How do I convert a StDev in bb/100 into bb/hour, assuming an hour is like 40 hands?

comparing any stakes live to any stakes online wrt to aggression or std dev is ridic the games play completely different. 3/6 online is way more aggro than live 40 in almost all cases. the game jesses talking about isnt rly that aggro either but it might seem that way for some1 used to full super duper loose passive 20 games.

as for what the std dev or w/e is for 40, dont bother trying figure out your P(busto) thats silly, just do whatever you are most comfortable doing/will make you most happy without putting yourself at obvious risk of going broke (ie playing 40 w ~15k). obv no matter what you do its 50/50 that you go broke. either you do or you dont. but srsly youre way overanalyzing it imo just do your thing.

as for me incinerated about 80 bets live yest and like 150 bets online today weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

First of all I did get 3-bet by T6s, T9o, K9o, and K5s all in the same session. And only the K9o was like in a reasonable blind steally situation. As far as I'm concerned the game is pretty aggressive, at least compared to anything I'm used to which includes 3/6 6 max online.

Second of all it's not like I'm trying to get an exact number I just want to know if 12 is OK or if 15 is in play. Everything I'm hearing on here and other avenues suggests that 15 is out of bounds and 12 is pretty reasonable which gives me some comfort.

Third of all that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid doing. I'll have a paycheck and it won't be all 40. I am trying to do what I'm comfortable with while not doing something extremely unprofessional, and think I have found a solution that at least some what addresses the comfort thing. Thanks for your thoughts and concerns. Also, the pure mathy formulas are tough for me and since my prop time is divided unequally between 20/40, 40/80, and sitting around they are harder to deal with.

some fun hands from today.

hand 1)

ep limps, LJ limps, CO limps, i raise KdTd OTB. blinds come along. limpers come along.

flop Ks Ts 5

checked to LJ who donks, CO calls, i raise. blinds and ep guy fold. LJ calls. CO calls.

turn 3d

LJ donks again. CO calls. i raise. they both call.

river Js

LJ donks again. CO folds. i call. LJ has Q9

hand 2)

villian in LJ from last hand straddles UTG. i 3bet KQo. everyone else folds. he 4bets. i call.

flop AT9

he bets. i call.

turn 2

he bets. i call.

river 6.

he bets. i call. hes got 4h6h.

hand 3)

games down to 6handed. the two players between me and villian from two previous hands left.

hes the kill OTB. folds to me in the sb. i raise A9o. bb calls. he calls OTB.

flop 99Q

i bet. bb raises. he 3bets. i cap. bb folds. he calls

turn 7

i bet. he calls.

river 8

i bet. he raises. i call. hes got JT.

hand 4)

a new player sits between me and villian from other hand. new player limps. i raise 77. folds to villian in bb. he calls. new player calls.

flop Qd 7d Q

checked to me. i bet. they both call.

turn 9

checked to me. i bet. bb raises. new player 3bets. i cap. they both call.

river 9

checked to new player. he bets. i fold. bb calls. new player has Q8.

srsly, i don't know the story behind your beef, but if you are holding a grudge you could do a lot better job of establishing your credibility than the
******ed posts you've made thus far.

Ill chime in - not a LHE reg but a 2p2 reg so maybe that will count for more than xanders post did. I believe the guy posting reg'd in jan 09 is actually former 2p2er 'thebeebster' real name Edwin (lastname kim?) who had earned some peoples trust and then dissapeared when it was time to pay.

He dressed sharp, had balling (comped?) rooms at strip hotels, and seemed to have lots of cash early on the trip. He also tagged along several times for bottle service saying he would ship online at the end of the 08 series , including once at the rhino when he was going to get the **** kicked out of him with 0 money puking in the bathroom. I gave the bouncers 100 and a cab 100 to take him home (cab driver said he was way too drunk to be let in, had puke all over himself etc)

I think he knows people connected the dots and thats why we have the farewell posts ITT - its not about he said/she said - maybe more he is/he isnt?

Either way, sorry to clog your monthly thread and GL with the flinging of the poo - just no one lend this s**** money

This all just makes it sadder still, damn.

Not to pile on, but I feel compelled to back Xander and Scotty: the fellow in question owes a bunch of people money and has been avoiding them for years, including when times were good. Any pretense he makes about having a moral compass is pure BS.

Sorry to thread-hijack.

played 40 the last 3 days and wow did things turn around. pretty certain i am the hottest running poster on this forum atm. ~75BB, ~125BB, ~15BB (was up 50 on the dot at the high point) are my last three live sessions. lengths ranged from about 12.5hours to 9hours, so relatively short considering. probably best 3 day streak in my life...

my standard deviation in the exact game you are playing was like 11BB/hr iirc, it really isn't as big of a difference as you'd think from some passive game. also, i played more short handed than you do currently i am pretty sure. esp since i turned down HU or 3way action like 4-5 times over a year and a half. i must admit i once backed down from a HU challenge from private joker which cemented alphamale status for himself.

mike?, fu, parker (i am not entirely in the know but i am guessing these are some of the major LAGs in question) weren't around in those days but we had Lan, Lauren, and I and couple other regulars who were probably similar.


on my old spreadsheet i wrote in a thing that calculates your optimal kelly bankroll based on your sessions. playing 20 and 40 in a similar ratio to you my kelly bankroll was like 14 to 18k. that's full kelly though. if your paycheck covers your life expenses then 50k is what i'd consider a reasonable bankroll given that figure. but thats for my winrate...

They know I can't win....


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t2270 M = 9.46
UTG+1: t1170 M = 4.88
Hero (UTG+2): t5010 M = 20.88
MP1: t4190 M = 17.46
MP2: t2040 M = 8.50
CO: t1860 M = 7.75
BTN: t9280 M = 38.67
SB: t2090 M = 8.71
BB: t1760 M = 7.33

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is UTG+2 with 7 7
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t400, Hero raises to t700, 3 folds, BTN calls t700, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to t1160 all in, Hero calls t460, BTN raises to t9270 all in, Hero calls t3840 all in

Flop: (t11400) A A 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: (t11400) T (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t11400) J (3 players - 3 are all in)

looks like it may have been closer to 12BB/hr but don't have all the data available to me. my SD per day was 2200$. think i averaged between 5.5-6 table hrs per day.

If you ever wondered why I never win tourneys....part 1


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t40 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t6760 M = 8.35
MP2: t3075 M = 3.80
Hero (CO): t6375 M = 7.87
BTN: t8470 M = 10.46
SB: t2765 M = 3.41
BB: t4155 M = 5.13
UTG: t13270 M = 16.38
UTG+1: t8665 M = 10.70
UTG+2: t4415 M = 5.45

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is CO with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, BTN calls t1200, SB raises to t2725 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t2425, 1 fold, Hero raises to t6335 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3610

Flop: (t17555) A K 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t17555) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t17555) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

Part 2...


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t40 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t6760 M = 8.35
MP2: t3075 M = 3.80
Hero (CO): t6375 M = 7.87
BTN: t8470 M = 10.46
SB: t2765 M = 3.41
BB: t4155 M = 5.13
UTG: t13270 M = 16.38
UTG+1: t8665 M = 10.70
UTG+2: t4415 M = 5.45

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is CO with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, BTN calls t1200, SB raises to t2725 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t2425, 1 fold, Hero raises to t6335 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3610

Flop: (t17555) A K 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t17555) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t17555) J (3 players - 2 are all in)