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Lost near the top of my range. Lost near the top of my range.

09-25-2017 , 08:20 PM
Wasn't sure what to do on all streets, tempted to fold flop but that seems bad given people's propensity to free card me. On to the hand.

UTG+1 is a reg that usually plays smaller, in a previous session they 3 bet me with Q-10o when I opened UTG 6 handed and likely 3 bets me way to light in general. Cutoff is a semi-reg whose likely calling way to wide here (not calling A2o but certainly never folding KQo and worse). BB is an expert.

I open AQo UTG, UTG +1 3 bets and cutoff/BB call, as do U.

Q-J-7r, bb leads I call, UTG+1 raises, cutoff 3 bets and everyone calls.

Turn J: checks through obviously.

River 2: 2 checks and UTG+1 bets, cutoff folds and BB calls.... we
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09-25-2017 , 09:11 PM
description of cutoff doesn't make sense. are you still 6handed?
without running equities, i think i'd 4bet pre, raise flop and bet river.
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09-25-2017 , 10:36 PM
Easy call
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09-25-2017 , 10:50 PM
I'd raise the flop after BB donks. Also probably bet the river.
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09-26-2017 , 01:42 AM
I would cap here preflop vs unknowns and especially against the opponents that are described. I would generally raise the flop but don't hate calling some % of your AQo combos.
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09-26-2017 , 02:59 AM
As played, this is a slam dunk call otr.

I tend not to have a PF capping range except in certain scenarios, but against the described ranges, it’s not a terrible idea.

I raise flop the vast majority of the time, and bet until I meet resistance. Likely forced to call down barring facing multiple bets or terrible run outs.
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09-26-2017 , 03:00 AM
Easy call as played. You got to river as cheaply as possible which seems like mission accomplished. Wouldn't be in line with flop play to fold now imo.
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09-26-2017 , 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dadjoey
I'd raise the flop after BB donks. Also probably bet the river.
this^
thereafter the turn might have been easier
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09-26-2017 , 11:25 AM
Raise. The. Flop. Donk.
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09-26-2017 , 11:48 AM
Cap pre.

Flop: raising is probably best, but I'm. not sure why people are so militant about raising it. What hands from an expert do we get three streets from here? KQ exactly?

I'd bet river for sure, but just call the bet as played.
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09-26-2017 , 04:26 PM
Looks like we seem to disagree on every street.

Pre-flop: This was 9 handed, so even if they 3 bet me light it still shouldn't be with a range that AQ is crushing. Sure they probably have KQ and AJ here but we still were still gonna be hind their range. BB range is also very strong, he doesn't have KT type hands here.

Flop: I think BB most likely hands are AQ/77/JQs/KQ in that order and we have UTG behind us that can very easily have us crushed.

River: I folded and didn't feel to bad about it
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09-26-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dead..money
Looks like we seem to disagree on every street.

Pre-flop: This was 9 handed, so even if they 3 bet me light it still shouldn't be with a range that AQ is crushing. Sure they probably have KQ and AJ here but we still were still gonna be hind their range. BB range is also very strong, he doesn't have KT type hands here.

Flop: I think BB most likely hands are AQ/77/JQs/KQ in that order and we have UTG behind us that can very easily have us crushed.

River: I folded and didn't feel to bad about it
Pre-flop: Shouldn't and isn't are two very different things in the context of players like this. Don't forget the overlay of the 3 bet cold caller, too, who your post indicates is calling with a range of hands that AQo has frequently dominated.

Flop: I agree, but do out the combos and there's more KQ than 77 and QJs (8 of the former and 5 of the latter).

River: I really don't understand the check fold. Why did we include the read that he 3 bet you w/ QTo if we're going to put the preflop 3 bettor on AA/KK squarely? Like BB is never full so you're never losing to him here (and if he is full, I'd question how expert he actually is), so we have to be folding to the bet from UTG +1, not to avoid a bad overcall.
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09-26-2017 , 06:56 PM
I would raise flop.

Folding river here has got to be a several BB mistake.
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09-26-2017 , 08:01 PM
Capping pre is not good with this hand. You want to reserve some strength in your range here and AQo plays poorly here. I'd rather (and would) cap JTs than AQo.

Flop is whatever but I think I call as well.

River fold is quite bad.


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09-26-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

Folding river here has got to be a several BB mistake.


I mean no it isn't.


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09-26-2017 , 08:11 PM
only reason why i would check the river is to c/r you are never going to get reraise by a stronger hand. raise flop. folding riv is a pretty big mistake which is compound by the fact that you just call flop.
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09-26-2017 , 08:25 PM
Thoughts on river, BB has KQ/AQ 100% I think I expect to see AQ more often, If this is true UTG+1 should bet KQ exactly never, further we really block her combos of AQ making AA/KK more likely (even though poorly played) as well as a badly played JJ.

Even if we do call here, it has to be impossible to scoo and we are hoping to get 1/2 at best, so while the pot is quite large, 14 bets, we are most likely getting 7-1 on our call not 14-1. I'm not saying calling is correct (why I posted the hand) just my reasoning
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09-26-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Capping pre is not good with this hand. You want to reserve some strength in your range here and AQo plays poorly here. I'd rather (and would) cap JTs than AQo.

Flop is whatever but I think I call as well.

River fold is quite bad.


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+1

Thank you for sharing what you would do OTR.

I swear I have never seen a reply from OnTheRail15 that I can dispute with.

With that said, I would personally raise flop based on player descriptions of OP in real time if I'm not thinking because I play bad.

Offtopic but really regret not taking NinaWilliams recommendation like 10 years ago to get LHE HUHU coaching from OnTheRail15. Definitely one of my favorite poster on 2+2 of all time
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09-27-2017 , 02:54 PM
BB lead is pretty strange and feels like it indicates more weakness than strength. Even though you are not beating many of his value hands here I would still raise flop. I would almost be more inclined to bet the river than check call. Folding is not an option
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09-28-2017 , 02:32 AM
I think hero should bet the turn when checked to

As played, would also consider betting the river and think folding would be a large mistake
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09-28-2017 , 01:28 PM
I don’t get the river fold at all. I’d probably bet and see what happened (expecting to win quite a bit) but as played calling river seems like a very obvious decision.

Rest of the hand is great. Raising flop is not good.
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09-28-2017 , 02:21 PM
For everyone that hates river fold, can you all agree that it's obvious UTG+1 should not bet worse than AQ here ever?

what range do you think UTG+1 has here, what range does Bb have, how does that affect UTG range.
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09-28-2017 , 02:28 PM
I think people are taking your read from 6h and thinking you are 3off and not 6off and that "UTG+1" is 2off and not 5off. I know I did.
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09-28-2017 , 03:59 PM
People don't always have what they should thank goodness.


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09-28-2017 , 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dead..money
For everyone that hates river fold, can you all agree that it's obvious UTG+1 should not bet worse than AQ here ever?
I never disputed this. I dispute that this guy is good enough to realize this given previous history.
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