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Old 10-20-2008, 10:55 PM   #1
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At long last, I go Animal

Live full 20/40 game. 4 limpers plus the small blind completes, and I raise A A Of course everyone calls and we see the flop 6 handed.

6 handed, 12 small bets:

A T 8

I bet, Marco calls from UTG+1, Braces Man calls from UTG+1, Jerry raises on the button, I 3-bet, Marco and Braces both call, Jerry calls. I think someone else put in one bet then folded, and somebody else also folded.

Time for reads....Marco is an older white gentleman who doesn't play that bad for the game, but is overly passive and goes too far with his hands. I don't know much about the guy with Braces on his top row of teeth who speaks with a lisp. I am certainly not afraid of him, and he is certainly not aggressive. Jerry is the tall, younger white guy who plays very lag and reads hands alright.

4 handed, 12.5 big bets

A T 8 K

I bet, Marco calls, Braces now raises. Jerry thinks long and hard, then calls 2 bets cold. I 3-bet....Animal or spew?

Braces range here might not even include two pair hands....Everyone always "puts you on AK" and therefore I think I have to discount stuff like KT and the like. He could have some sort of combo draw I guess, but I think the nut straight is an overwhelming favorite to be hiding in there.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:58 PM   #2
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

jesse, what on earth?

i guess 'animal' pretty much means whatever you want it to mean?

without meaning any offense at all, how is 3betting top set (the second nuts) 4ways a noteworthy move?


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Old 10-20-2008, 11:00 PM   #3
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

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what on earth?

i guess 'animal' pretty much means whatever you want it to mean?

without meaning any offense at all, how is 3betting top set 4way a wild n crazy move?
My definition of "Animal" is "putting in a ton of action without the absolute nuts". My opponent is not aggressive and he just popped me on a big street....
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:19 PM   #4
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

For some reason I thought you had AQ and was like wow that's spewy.

I don't 3b this turn.

EDIT: God damn I ****ing suck at reading posts.

THREE BET THE GOD DAMN TURN

However, if that guy Marco raised, like I thought the second(through fifth) time I skimmed the thred I prolly don't 3b but it's hella close and I'd have to be in the game to know what's best.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:28 PM   #5
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

I'm with BBB on this. I giddily 3-bet and don't worry about anything unless he 4-bets. Even then, you're never drawing dead (or even thin, for that matter) so I don't really care even if that happens.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:28 PM   #6
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

Its live, the board is scary, and we got raised by a non-maniac on the turn. I'm calling down and c/r if I make a full - especially given a read of "overly passive."

NINJA edit: crap I thought Marco raised. I think its closer, but it's still live and we get 5 bets in if we are losing by 3 betting or 3 bets by calling down plus by calling we get to c/r river when we suck out. Arg I dunno I see both lines.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:05 AM   #7
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

I three bet all day long
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:02 AM   #8
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

4 ways I am 3 betting and expect to lose to QJ a lot but not enough for me to not put in another bet getting 3-1 when I'm probably about a 4-1 dog at worst.

Are you guys 3 betting this hand 3 ways?
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:36 AM   #9
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

Nina,

Why are you asking if we 3bet 3handed? My instinct says the less players the more likely we should be to 3bet but since you are asking a question which appears to have an obvious answer is there something Im missing?

What concepts would make you less likely to 3bet?
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:24 AM   #10
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

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Nina,

Why are you asking if we 3bet 3handed? My instinct says the less players the more likely we should be to 3bet but since you are asking a question which appears to have an obvious answer is there something Im missing?

What concepts would make you less likely to 3bet?
because you need to be ahead less often when you're getting 3-1 on a raise as oppose to 2-1.

Its not like the other morons can have us beaten here.
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:34 AM   #11
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

From my 3 hours with him, Marco could be calling with 33 here.

"Marco calling" seems as automatic as "dealer burns and turns".
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:41 AM   #12
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because you need to be ahead less often when you're getting 3-1 on a raise as oppose to 2-1.

Its not like the other morons can have us beaten here.
This is assuming they are both calling and going to sd?
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:57 AM   #13
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because you need to be ahead less often when you're getting 3-1 on a raise as oppose to 2-1.

Its not like the other morons can have us beaten here.
i agree very heartily with your statement and it's something i've made a point to recognize while in the heat of the moment of hands. however, it is still way secondary to the are we ahead right now factor, which is sometimes easy to tell live with reads.
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Old 10-21-2008, 05:16 AM   #14
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Time for reads....Marco is an older white gentleman who is one of these reasons the rest of us play. He is the definition of calling station and is as positionally unaware as possible for this level of play.. I don't know much about the guy with Braces on his top row of teeth who speaks with a lisp. I am certainly not afraid of him, and he is certainly not aggressive. Jerry is the tall, younger white guy who plays very lag and reads hands alright.
FYP.

As for this hand... it was all said in BBB's post. When you used the term "Animal" I guess you meant hamster?
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:39 AM   #15
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

3 bets with second nuts is animal?
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:10 AM   #16
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Are you guys 3 betting this hand 3 ways?
No and not just because we're not getting as big of an overlay.

If we 3b the turn and me and someone else fill on the river and I lead I really doubt they're going to raise so it ends up being the same as if I flat and fill.(big assumption obv. but it seems reasonable to assume.)
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:06 AM   #17
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

[ ] Animal
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:19 PM   #18
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3 bets with second nuts is animal?
When you're pretty obviously behind, yes.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:21 PM   #19
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

Also guys...while it's pretty reasonable to think Marco is going to call, it is 2 bets with the specter of a cap on a big street. He's not just going to throw in 80 dollars drawing dead. He'll put it in with a flush draw, OESD, or two pair+. That's about it. One bet, on the other hand, he'll call with over 90% of his range.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:47 PM   #20
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

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When you're pretty obviously behind, yes.
Not obviously behind. 3bet here is pretty standard imo. Not saying you can't argue for a call, but 3bet is hardly animal.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:54 PM   #21
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

i saw the thread title and I was all like "hooray" animal threads are usually funny because they typically showcase bad play... but in this case its painfully standard so i'm a little disappointed.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:00 PM   #22
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

Apparently my definition of Animal was off. Sorry for the confusion
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:13 PM   #23
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

ANIMAL JESSE

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Old 10-21-2008, 01:22 PM   #24
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When you're pretty obviously behind, yes.
[ ] obviously behind
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:24 PM   #25
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Re: At long last, I go Animal

Technically the definition of animal involves 3 betting the turn or river with some hand. There are 2 caveats. 1) The hand you are three betting is kinda sucky or 2) the hand you are 3 betting is alright, but the board is 3 straight or 3 flush and the other dude is saying, I gots the goods.
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