I mean, this is a hand where every street is debatable. It has all sorts of bad play by everyone. For what its worth, this is probably a fold pre, but whatever. The game tends to be fairly aggro pre with 75+ percent of hands getting three bet, so I'm wider out of the big blind.

The SB is super special and plays 95 percent of his hands and is capable of just going crazy with no pair no draw. Just fires into multiple people on multiple streets without a prayer until someone plays back.

6h exposed preflop

Decent player raises late position, bad aggro player raises button, sb calls, I call BB with 33.

Flop is 344ss (12 sb)

Checks to button who bets, sb c/r, all call.

Turn is 6x (10 BB)

SB checks, I bet, decent player calls, button folds, SB call.

River is 5x. (13 BB)

SB bets, I raise, decent player 3 bets, SB sigh folds, I sigh call.

Preflop is fine if that’s your read on the table.

I 3! flop.

Turn is turn but I get here differently than you do but I don’t know what that means myself.

River, I might 4! You’ve underrepped your hand until now and decent player will think straight is good here. Gamespeed, I just call cause I’m a nit MUBSY

You’re literally up against three combos of 55 and case 66 and 44 which makes 5 total combos that beat you.

Yeah, but what straights does decent player have here that took it all the the face on the previous streets. 87ss okay (although may 3 bet flop). A7s and 77? Plus, when I raise river after betting turn it looks incredibly strong so a 7 should be chopping at best.

Yeah, flop is . . . I chose lol slowplay because my hand is a lock and I didnt want to fold out the other two behind me with a 3 bet. Plus, they can three bet all the overpairs here when I just call.

Decent players has quads: Man just calls the whole way down and the raises river representing 45, 55, or 44, and only 44 really makes sense to play like this.

Having said that I would call because the pot is ginormous and you has full house. Maybe he goes crazy with 78ss once in a while. You called two the face on flop, bet turn when checked to, and then raised a river that puts a four liner on the board.

How has he underrepped his hand? Even the biggest morons know that coldcalling two and then betting when checked to is strong af.

I don't know

How do you guys make these assumptions?
- decent player has quads
- decent player has flush from last hand.

Out of all possible combos, we’re narrowing them to one hand, who are we? Dnegs?

This is limit holdem. It’s one bet at a time, not a stack. We don’t need to narrow villains hand down to the worst possible outcome. That is for NL. Hence, my comment on optimism from previous thread.

It’s quite obvious we are debating between raising or calling river. We have a read, it’s not as good so we can narrow our villains hand to a possible one to three worst combos though.

Also NFS, I’d think that 77, A7s, A2s and A4s also play this hand this way. If you add that into solver with 55, 44, 66, I’m sure 33 is right in the middle of that range.

Pre flop call seems super standard especially in this game.

I would just 3 bet the flop and hope to win the max on this hand. Agro players tend not to believe excessive pre flop action is necessarily strong. The just call two line and then wake up with a raise or bet when checked to line does seem strong and will make players slow down. If you are lucky, somebody has a 4 and will raise the turn.

I just call the 3 bet on the river as payed.

Two extremely good players told me to check/raise the turn

And I don't know if the comment was directed at me, but I didn't put him only on quads, I gave his range above. A three cold on the river is a good hand. I'm not folding getting 18 to 1 but I'm expecting to win.

I just said he has quads because it’s the hand that makes the most sense for him to have. I never said we should fold, just that the idea that he can play a straight like this except for spazzing out is laughable.

You should ram and jam the flop with a three-bet. I'd consider just flatting on a drier board where by three-betting we would be basically turning our hand face up. But because this is a draw heavy board, people will often put you on a draw that is juicing it up multiway. They can also just put you on a naked 4 if they have a draw, and believe they are drawing live. It is also not irrelevant that you have the underfull, which is considerably more vulnerable than if you had 44 on 433. Especially given how you describe the game, I think you just need to give everyone else a chance to give you maximum action.

As played, I think the turn is close. Betting looks very strong and a check-raise is juicy, but letting it check through is a minor disaster. I don't fault you for betting. River I play the same.

This is a weird hand all around but I can’t find any obvious faults. PF is whatever, I probably fold but I won’t fault you for calling because you know the game and their ranges better.

Given the drawy nature of the flop I probably 3-bet just to get money in the pot. I don’t hate the turn lead given your flop play, hopefully a 4 raises and you can 3-bet.

I’m certainly never folding river AP, call and expect to win a decent minority of the time.

In defense of slowplaying the flop, I think that this sort of combination of bad action and runout is extremely rare. You have a runout where threebetting is really strong on the river, and most of the time it just runs out where you always have the conceivable nuts that isn’t nearly the case here.

A lot of the times you will just be 3betting the river for value after it checks to you, and people will have enough to call.

nh

i think 3 betting flop is mildly bad. would people really call with overcards here vs. a flop 3 bet? plus there a good chance a overpair would 3 bet the flop allowing you to put the "wtf why not" back cap that nobody will believe.

CRing turn might be expert but i wouldnt do it. i would be beating myself up royally if it checked through. not worth the tilt.

*Preflop*

May 4 bet BB non 0% (close to 1%) just to donate to SB

*Flop*
I may attempt:
1. Chk/call (ninefingershuffle played best fyi ainec)

2. Bet/3bet (OT: SB enables poker eco system)
3. Chk/3 bet

*Turn*
Donk / call or donk / 3 bet seems great.
C/R turn seems optimistic per ss FD & 6x completing some redraws straight draws / sets.

*River*
I'd call river, prefer to SD cheap
344ss6x5x

Expert as played ninefingershuffle per SB range being so wide and potential for Decent LAGTAG CO / HJ could fold better non 0% although unlikely.

OT: You run worse than you play ninefingershuffle & you run worse than you play