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12-05-2007 , 04:47 AM

NinaWilliams

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20/40 at FW.

CO sucks. He can get a little aggro post flop but hes bad. SB is pretty tight and solid. BB is too loose but postflop he seems solid. He does some ******ed stuff but usually in HU pots.

Preflop: Hero is UTG w AQo and raises. CO, SB, and BB call.

Flop: Q

sb and bb ck, Hero bets, all call (lol)

Turn: K

sb and bb ck, Hero bets, all call (lol)

River 5

Scenario 1: SB and BB ck

Scenario 2: Sb cks BB bets

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12-05-2007 , 05:12 AM

Machmood

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Without being in the game it is tough to say, I cant really see you having the best hand here. In full ring live games i try and save as many bets as i can if i think i am beat. That being said because you are playing against both blinds you cant really put either on a hand, and the only draw that got there is 67. Id prob put him on some weird 2 pair out of the blinds. But to answer your question, i guess you could make an argument for both calling and folding
P.S. i know this doesnt help at all, but in limit games it is all dependent on how the game is, 20/40 games tend to be loose and fast at foxwoods

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12-05-2007 , 05:12 AM

SNOWBALL

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if donked into by the bb, I would fold. Him bluffing here would be ******ed. You said he is tight and solid and therefore not ******ed. He couldn't possibly be bluffing 3 players, could he? Also, what hand does he have that he is bluffing with? Would he turn a missed pair+gutshot hand into a bluff on the river? If so, wouldn't he maybe try to get fancier earlier? Doesn't really add up.
If both checked to me, I would bet if I have a loose image and check if I have a tight image.

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12-05-2007 , 05:17 AM

n.s.

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scenario 1: bet, fold to a c/r and maybe make a crying call if CO raises and SB and BB both fold.

scenario 2: fold. This is such an incredibly awkward spot to bluff that I have to give BB credit for something that can beat a pair of Qs here (probably 67).

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12-05-2007 , 06:10 AM

bakku

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i'm betting if checked to and expecting to win most of the time if called. no one has given me any reason to believe they can beat a Q

when bb donks the river i think a lot of the time he has a KJ/KT that didn't want to put in more than one bet on the turn but also didn't want to lose value on the river. however, i also think this may be some random bluff more than 1 in 11 so i'd call.

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12-05-2007 , 07:04 AM

SNOWBALL

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Originally Posted by bakku

other than t7, t6 aj, and AT, every other hand he has is paired so prob wouldn't bluff, no?

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12-05-2007 , 08:44 AM

bakku

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Originally Posted by SNOWBALL

other than t7, t6 aj, and AT, every other hand he has is paired so prob wouldn't bluff, no?

against our range hands like J9/T9/J8/etc. aren't going to be winning at showdown very often so if he's going to make a bluff with complete air he should be bluffing with these hands as well.

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12-05-2007 , 11:07 AM

Yads

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Scenario 1: bet planning to fold to a raise
Scenario 2: fold

This hand is pretty standard imo.

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12-05-2007 , 03:44 PM

SNOWBALL

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Originally Posted by bakku

against our range hands like J9/T9/J8/etc. aren't going to be winning at showdown very often so if he's going to make a bluff with complete air he should be bluffing with these hands as well.

I totally agree. I just don't think the average player of that description would think this on the fly.

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12-05-2007 , 03:54 PM

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nineinchal

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Originally Posted by NinaWilliams

sb and bb ck, Hero bets, all call (lol)

Turn: K

sb and bb ck, Hero bets, all call (lol)

River 5

Scenario 1: SB and BB ck

Scenario 2: Sb cks BB bets

Sounds like CO was playing a Q-5 suited.

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12-05-2007 , 06:18 PM

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TenEightOff

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yea tough spot.

1. bet
2. call

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12-06-2007 , 11:49 AM

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Bill King

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just to let you know.. i fold AQo UTG @ foxwoods 20/40.. you should try it too.

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12-06-2007 , 12:09 PM

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jkamowitz

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Originally Posted by Bill King

just to let you know.. i fold AQo UTG @ foxwoods 20/40.. you should try it too.

Good title Nina,

Lol is right.

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12-06-2007 , 12:21 PM

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JJH3984

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Originally Posted by Bill King

just to let you know.. i fold AQo UTG @ foxwoods 20/40.. you should try it too.

Why? I really want to know.

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12-06-2007 , 06:09 PM

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Bill King

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Originally Posted by JJH3984

Why? I really want to know.

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12-06-2007 , 06:40 PM

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jkamowitz

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Originally Posted by Bill King

Well that's a helpful response.

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12-06-2007 , 07:27 PM

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sirlurkalot

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Is 20/40 small stakes?

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12-06-2007 , 07:39 PM

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27offsooot

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1. bet 2. call... lol at folding PF +1

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12-06-2007 , 08:25 PM

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Hobbs.

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Originally Posted by Bill King

just to let you know.. i fold AQo UTG @ foxwoods 20/40.. you should try it too.

lolololol

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12-06-2007 , 10:38 PM

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Bill King

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even though i said that really sarcastically.. i really do fold it on a crazy night and its the right fold when that game is playing wild like it can.

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12-06-2007 , 10:56 PM

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ProfessorBen

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Guys. I fold this too UTG preflop... in a 15 handed game.

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12-06-2007 , 11:25 PM

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Hobbs.

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Originally Posted by Bill King

even though i said that really sarcastically.. i really do fold it on a crazy night and its the right fold when that game is playing wild like it can.

no, no it's not

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12-07-2007 , 02:55 AM

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12ressiMorP

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Originally Posted by Bill King

just to let you know.. i fold AQo UTG @ foxwoods 20/40.. you should try it too.

If I'm ever in the mood to play bad, which I am occasionally, I shall.

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12-07-2007 , 03:34 AM

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ProfessorBen

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There's very little reason to argue about this. I fold AJo usually UTG here 10 handed, though I may also limp if the conditions are right, so folding AQo cannot be that much of a mistake or opportunity. I just refuse to pass up a spot to earn my EV postflop.

Folding AQs and AKo, though, is another story and is LOL.

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12-08-2007 , 11:17 PM

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StrictlyStrategy

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Originally Posted by Bill King

even though i said that really sarcastically.. i really do fold it on a crazy night and its the right fold when that game is playing wild like it can.

What about in an online 100-200 game? jw

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