I don't know why you would want to get involved OOP with a hand like 6d2d against a "good pro".

I get possibly playing it against certain opponents. Maybe the player is super predictable or super foldy etc. I also get playing it against a button open since we can potentially attack a much wider range that can't continue if we pick up a draw.

The advantage of defending more hands that may seem correct is that we have a pretty good idea of what the ep player has in his range but he has no clue what we have. Assuming we adjust accordingly to how our hand intersects the board and our opponents range we can defend a bunch of hands. My problem with 62s is it's limited playability. I just don't like playing hands with two's in it in general.

+1

PF I know I would defend 64s and 63s vs OP's explanation of 7 handed UTG TAG pfr. Been too long since playing online or live to determine if I called 62s but think I did.

Thank you OnTheRail15, very informative to know as a default it is acceptable to not c/r turn as default when you hit BTM pair since I generally dont. More importantly always great to hear a solid advice regarding turn c/r range with a weak draw unimproved since I definitely need to expand that.

I mess up and c/r flop after like hour 6 live but can understand to keep a balanced c/r and c/c range, 62s FD should be in c/c range as default in terms of GTO

Disagree about equities. Most important is skill level. Next is playability. You flop no pair no draw so often with this hand. When you do flop a pair, your equity still sucks, you are OOP, poor implied odds, and villain always has two overs or has you beat. 62s is a bad hand.

I'd also want more support that you should defend 80% OOP in omaha vs an ep raise.

In no particular order:

- I can’t defend the 80% Omaha assertion if you are telling me equity doesn’t matter.

- I have said “playability” a million times in this forum, so trust me, I get where you are coming from. I still cringe at weak offsuit aces in spots where I know they are profitable because they are super tough to play well (opening from cutoff in tough lineup, 3 betting from small blind vs tricky button or sticky big blind).

But the whole point of trying to play in a tough and well balanced way is to protect the weakest part of your range, and make your overall strategy more “playable”.

- Nearly all hands have poor “playability” vs a strong ep raiser. Whenever we don’t flop huge we will struggle to play well out of position vs a strong range. The hand isn’t easier to play when we defend ATo unless we flop huge.

- there is legit disagreement possible over what hands to put into a wide range. Someone might want to fold these small suited cards and defend say K7o. If we can’t use equity to help decide then we are all just grasping at straws.

- I can defend three additional suited hands for every offsuit combo someone incorrectly plays. So if something seems on the margin, err toward playing a suited marginal hand and folding an offsuit one if you aren’t sure. The suited one has higher “playability” and it will be 3x less often in case you are wrong about its value.

- the bots do it

bots do it
pros do it
even educated fish do it
let's do it
let's see the flop......

If you don’t know the value of your hand on the turn, I wouldn’t defend this hand preflop.


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