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01-13-2012 , 11:25 AM

#26

drbk2

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by COCOCHANEL

There are a few key differences between the weekend 10/20 and 20/40 games, and those which take place during the week at the Borg (and please keep in mind that I play the 20 game a lot more than the 10, so this more about that game, I suppose):

1. There will usually be several tables of the 10 game and the 20 game during the weekends. Because there is always at least one main game (obv), and one or two must-moves, it is important, IMO, to make adjustments for each. I have often found that the main game--though often full of regs--plays a little higher than the must-move, meaning there will be a lot of capping and a lot of loose pre-flop action. When you're sitting at the must-move game, you'll look over to the main game and invariably see a TON of red checks on the table: huge stacks in front of certain players (as in many, many racks), as well as huge pots being pushed. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY THIS! Some of the play on the weekend main game is simply awful, so I suggest that you not be afraid to mix it up with them. A LAG style works best, IMO, but if you are on the nitty side, just prepared to be sucked out on a lot and try your hardest to open your range preflop for multiple bets. I can't tell you how many times I've sat in late position in that game with A-A or K-K and it's been 4 bet by the time it gets to me. The game also has a tendency to change quickly--one round will be super loose, the next folks will tighten up, and then all hell will break loose and the pots will be HUGE again. Don't worry: it isn't all about you, and they're not adjusting their play because they think you're a fish or anything... They're just not that good.

2. On the weekends, I am very careful to look or jammed pots by people who may be playing the same bankroll. If a river fold seems odd on a dry board where there are many bets in the pot, take notice of who is the hand, especially if it is heads up. I'm not saying collusion is rampant (it's nothing like Commerce), but it's something to watch for.

3. On the weekdays, it's the same faces over and over again, and I honestly cannot figure out how most of them afford their lives. There are several reg's who live at the Borg and play the 20 game every single day. You shouldn't have too much trouble figuring out who they are. There is a man and woman who OBVIOUSLY are playing the same bankroll--you'll catch on to that pretty fast if you're not stoned, dumb, or dead. I try to avoid being squeezed by them. (Their routine is fuss at each other for "misplaying" certain hands, but clearly they're just jamming each others' pots. I play a more TAG style, generally, during the week.

4. DO NOT ASSUME THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A HUGE STACK, THEY ARE GOOD AT THE GAME, OR EVEN WINNER FOR THE NIGHT. One trick the reg's like to pull at the Borg (I've seen it elsewhere, but it's ridiculously blatant at the Borg) is to sit down with one red rack, and 20 or so black checks or 10 purple checks or whatever... They'll start tipping the chip runners to color DOWN to red checks when they pull a pot, so it starts to like they are HUGE winner on the game, and newbies often therefore try to avoid them. Don't play scared money against these fools. If you play LAG against the big stacks, you'll end up a big stack yourself--except yours will be winnings.

Finally, I highly recommend that you seek out poker host(ess) on duty while you're there playing. As a rule (but depending on availability, play history, etc.), the Borg will comp your room if you put in any real time on the 20 game or higher. If you ask the floor or the front desk, you may be shot down. But if you can find the host(ess), you should be all set.

HAVE A GREAT TIME! Let us know how it goes. I soooooooo wish I could be playing that game this weekend--I've heard it's playing really well.

OH! Two more things: The reg's at the 40 game, as a rule, are a whole lot better than those on the 20 games (mostly pro grinders, in my experience). That said, if the game looks like it's playing loose, it's TOTALLY BEATABLE, so take a shot! If you look over and half the table is reading Cardplayer and one preflop raise wins the blinds, stay away. They're just waiting for a fish whose winner on the 20 game to join them and are hoping the action will get juicy (at which time they will actually start playing back at each other...). The second thing is that if you haven't played at the Borg before, you will be VERY frustrated (at least at first) by the checks they use. They are slippery, plastic resin with magnetic metal inserts. They are very hard to riffle without a good bit of experience, and they are difficult to handle until you get used to them. I suggest using this to your advantage so that you appear to be a total newbie fish when you sit down. One of the reg's will probably ask you where you're from if it appears that you haven't handled that type of player's check before.... Tell them you're from BumFuk, USA and haven't ever played this high before. Then 4! preflop with 6H-7H and scoop a big pot....

Give us a report?!

I would let the man and woman cheat in a 3 handed game.

01-13-2012 , 12:30 PM

#27

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

drbk2: this is gunna sound stupid but can you link me to the main borgata thread in B&M. i just went there, searched 5 pages, then typed in "borgata" in the search function and looked at all B&M threads for 10 pages and found nothing. where'd the thread go?

01-13-2012 , 12:34 PM

#28

nyc999

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There's a sub-forum for specific casinos, also I was thinking of a separate post, but that one's also good.

01-13-2012 , 03:35 PM

#29

DcifrThs

Chip Spewer

Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 15,812

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyc999

There's a sub-forum for specific casinos, also I was thinking of a separate post, but that one's also good.

aha. kk ty. and i meant you not dr lol.

so which thread are you talking about exactly?

01-14-2012 , 03:43 PM

#30

The DaveR

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A+. Would read again.

01-19-2012 , 01:58 PM

#31

MJCASRoma

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 516

Ive played in the 10 game a small amount and had some good results. Granted, short term/small sample size, but still, it looks like that the game is easily beatable. Ive played maybe 5 or 6 times? I can't really remember, but I was out there last in November. I enjoyed playing on the main table (opening the game at 830 or so) even though everyone was 25+ years older than me (well there was one gentleman about 40 and one about 28, everyone else 50+).
I posted in the Low Content thread that I was looking to meet some LHE regulars at the Borgata, as I am looking to come out about 6 times before April (from Detroit), and not knowing anyone really sucks.

Mark

01-20-2012 , 12:28 PM

#32

LVPILET

banned

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by COCOCHANEL

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/53...76/index3.html

"HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! Were these won, or did someone buy in for an obnoxious amount???"

REPLY: "I clearly bought in for all those. Took a picture after the first hand so to remember."

LOL. Play back at those fools, baby!!

He's trying to act cool, clever, and hip in his reponse. He actually believed he was a winner in that game. He came to 40/80 LH a few times, lost so much, he had to return to 20/40. I sat next to him in the 20 game, while waiting for a seat the 40 game, he lost at least 2500 in 2 hours, but continued to buy a rack everytime he lost a hand. When I finally got my seat in the 40 game, he had about 5k in red chips, but was losing 2500 plus. Great wanna be and talker, but horrible player. I think he finally quit playing. He was just a buyin specialist.

01-21-2012 , 12:45 AM

#33

Parable

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 136

Okay I was at Borgata recently. Was this 40/80 game blue chips? Also, there was one table I looked at that had blue chips, not sure if it was 10/20, 20/40 or 40/80 but at least of half of the players there look like in their early 20s and mid 20s max. Is this probably the lower limit game 10/20 game?

Because I heard it was lot of older plays who plays in these games. The thing that made me think its a higher game is that lots of players had TONS OF CHIPS on the table and this seems to be similar to what cocochanel mentioned though they probably have more chips to intimidate others? Seems weird though because it looked like a very young internet kid table.

Anyone can take a guess what limit this was probably?

01-21-2012 , 12:48 AM

#34

Bremen

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Blue chips are 40/80

01-21-2012 , 01:09 AM

#35

Parable

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Is it weird to see so many young players at that table? That table literally had 1/2 the players in their early 20s I say. I thought it was for the older folks.

01-21-2012 , 03:20 AM

#36

BigBadBabar

California Elephant

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 21,688

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parable

Is it weird to see so many young players at that table? That table literally had 1/2 the players in their early 20s I say. I thought it was for the older folks.

10/20 is mostly older folks. 20/40 is a mix. 40/80 is usually a somewhat younger crowd.

01-21-2012 , 04:36 AM

#37

Parable

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Would 40/80 be those younger players who played the mid and high limit holdem on pokerstars? Because if so, that sounds pretty intimidating.

01-21-2012 , 06:05 AM

#38

BigBadBabar

California Elephant

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 21,688

i'm sure there's been an influx of internet guys into mid/high stakes lhe games everywhere, not just borgata. and some of the guys in that game are decent live pros as well.

01-21-2012 , 03:41 PM

#39

AlanBostick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LVPILET

This is jkamowitz you're talking about, right?

01-21-2012 , 06:11 PM

#40

Lurshy

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,001

BTW the past few weeks, yellow chip (20) 60-120 seems to have displaced 40-80 he.

01-21-2012 , 09:28 PM

#41

Penner

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVPILET

First.. This in not true. Second.. Inappropriate!

01-21-2012 , 09:51 PM

#42

donotdont

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 98

its pretty sick to lose 2500 in 2 hours in the 20 game

01-21-2012 , 09:53 PM

#43

bakku

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,925

if you guys want to keep talking about the borgata there is this thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ity-nj-418635/

or you can post in the LC thread here

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