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03-27-2022 , 12:36 AM

bicyclekick

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Above average pro raises the CO.. I defend bb with KTo.

Come AK8r I check call. Turn 5 check check.

River K bet raise...

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03-27-2022 , 02:58 AM

checkraisdraw

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Weird spot. I think nothing worse will call a 3bet so I would call.

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03-27-2022 , 03:04 PM

ninefingershuffle

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I think the choice is between call and fold, not three bet. It’s close. Kq, kj, kt, k9s, k7s? Toss in the occasional bluff and I guess it is a call

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03-27-2022 , 05:02 PM

IhateJJ

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just call, would be the standard default

though, in a mixed strategy, raising a small percentage of the time would be fine, maybe 10%, to balance your 3 bet bluffing of maybe 3%.

never folding

I also think x/r > b/c

Last edited by IhateJJ; 03-27-2022 at 05:23 PM.

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03-27-2022 , 10:37 PM

JLot

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Hey BK,
I'd 3b this spot against a good pro. Villain should be betting the strong kings on the turn like KQ and KJ and have weaker kings (K4s, K6s, K9o, etc.) in their check back range. Therefore it's likely your KT is ahead. Folding is out of the question against a good player, though that's the exploit against a weak/tight player for sure. I could certainly understand folding to a 4b though.

J Lot

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03-28-2022 , 06:49 PM

jayhawks

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Originally Posted by JLot

Does a good pro call a 3 bet? BK is certainly getting called by worse from some people that play that game, but maybe not often enough???

Curious who this was against

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04-02-2022 , 04:33 PM

prototypepariah

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Bet and beat them into pot.

3! Can't be end of world... Very hard to get 4 bet.

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04-02-2022 , 05:14 PM

maka2184

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick

Above average pro raises the CO.. I defend bb with KTo.

Come AK8r I check call. Turn 5 check check.

River K bet raise...

I'd 3 bet.

Not folding to 4bet.

3 bet > Call > fold imo.

Kind of depends who average pro is and game history during session, recently within week / month / year, all sessions.

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11-01-2022 , 07:55 AM

maka2184

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I think the choice is between call and fold, not three bet. It’s close. Kq, kj, kt, k9s, k7s? Toss in the occasional bluff and I guess it is a call

+1

Results?

FYI I'm 3 betting here because no gamble no future especially Canterbury games in my small sample size 30/60 & 15/30.

Think bicyclekick won this hand if he ran normal

Last edited by maka2184; 11-01-2022 at 07:56 AM. Reason: Bicyclekick #1 AINEC (●^ｏ^●）

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11-01-2022 , 08:20 AM

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Bob148

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Id check raise river and call 3.

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11-03-2022 , 05:13 PM

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ArcherOfLoaf

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Originally Posted by bicyclekick

Above average pro raises the CO.. I defend bb with KTo.

Come AK8r I check call. Turn 5 check check.

River K bet raise...

Call. Do not 3bet.

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11-03-2022 , 05:14 PM

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ArcherOfLoaf

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Originally Posted by maka2184

FYI I'm 3 betting here because no gamble no future

This is poor logic.

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11-05-2022 , 12:26 AM

#13

maka2184

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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf

This is poor logic.

+1 in normal games. GL being exploited vs LAGTAG pros if you ever play in Canterbury.

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11-05-2022 , 06:22 AM

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ArcherOfLoaf

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Originally Posted by maka2184

+1 in normal games. GL being exploited vs LAGTAG pros if you ever play in Canterbury.

Those people could never beat me.

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11-05-2022 , 11:11 AM

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Crispix

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Originally Posted by maka2184

+1 in normal games. GL being exploited vs LAGTAG pros if you ever play in Canterbury.

On the river, how would you get exploited if you don’t make big folds in big pots, or pointlessly bluff, consistently?

I feel that lagtag exploration happens much earlier in the hand and more skewed towards preflop.

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11-05-2022 , 02:32 PM

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by Bob148

Id check raise river and call 3.

Why would you check-raise the river? Assuming we don't know he was going to raise our river bet, I would think his range includes a lot of pairs lower than kings that will check the river but I think would have to call our bet.

Or are we only calling the flop with a pair of kings or better, and villain knows that?

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11-05-2022 , 03:25 PM

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Bob148

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I think full houses are worth 3 or 4 bets so I hope to bet 3 bet.

KJo and KT I think are worth 2 or 3 bets.

Lesser kings and strong aces worth 1 or 2 bets. Medium aces I usually check but will bet fold more as I get better feel for the opponent.

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11-05-2022 , 03:41 PM

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chillrob

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But it doesn't matter how many bets your hand is worth if his hand is usually only worth 1.

What do others think villain's range is here before the river action?

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11-06-2022 , 11:06 AM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf

Those people could never beat me.

Congratulations on winning min 6 figures at LHE

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Originally Posted by chillrob

But it doesn't matter how many bets your hand is worth if his hand is usually only worth 1.

What do others think villain's range is here before the river action?

K7s+
K9o+
55+
76o+
65s+
T8o+

Might be too wide, knowing river action & board makes it different.

Think ninefingershuffle or ArcherOfLoaf may have better range before river action?

Last edited by maka2184; 11-06-2022 at 11:07 AM. Reason: DonJuan & Bicyclekick #1 AINEC (●^ｏ^●）

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11-06-2022 , 12:48 PM

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ArcherOfLoaf

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Originally Posted by JLot

Villain should be betting the strong kings on the turn like KQ and KJ and have weaker kings (K4s, K6s, K9o, etc.) in their check back range.

Why?

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11-06-2022 , 11:00 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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I mean he has to have all sorts of Ax in his turn check range. But none of that raises the river.

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11-07-2022 , 01:49 AM

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I mean he has to have all sorts of Ax in his turn check range.

Really? That seems like bad play to me.

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11-07-2022 , 08:02 AM

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holmfries

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Never folding and not three betting given description of villain so probably just call.

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11-07-2022 , 10:00 AM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I mean he has to have all sorts of Ax in his turn check range. But none of that raises the river.

What Ax are you checking turn?

Is goal to max 2-3 bets on turn & river all run outs with the Ax by checking turn vs above average pro in CO?

Last edited by maka2184; 11-07-2022 at 10:00 AM. Reason: DonJuan & Bicyclekick #1 AINEC (●^ｏ^●）

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11-07-2022 , 02:07 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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I'd certainly check any ace that would be a chop, so A8s and worse. You are now behind all Kings, all better aces. The only thing you are ahead of is 8x that peeled the flop (which now has 2 outs), a pocket pair (also two outs), and QJ/JT etc etc that peeled and have four outs. So you aren't giving up much by checking most aces here and maybe lettering him barrel the river with his bluffs or call you light.

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