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06-27-2021 , 09:47 AM
6 handed. Utg limps, I raise utg with KQh, sb calls bb folds utg calls

Flop K23ssd

Checks to me I bet/c/c

Turn 4d putting up a second fd

Checks to me I bet/c/c

River 8c

Checks to me I bet (?)/sb raises/I…

He’s repping very thin. K8 and pocket 8’s. I’m not sure of his river check raises but I know he can bluff in other spots (but does shut down too). The bet seems standard but might be ambitious.
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06-27-2021 , 11:34 AM
It seems like a completely standard hand as long as you just call the CR otr.
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06-27-2021 , 12:06 PM
Your bet is fine -- you should get calls from all kinds of worse stuff. The k/r makes me throw up in my mouth a bit but I agree with hf it's a call absent a very strong read.
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06-28-2021 , 08:33 AM
The river action looks slightly messed up to me. It was 3way when SB raised and UTG folded, right? It's also not clear what position you are in pre-flop which is important. People are going to react differently to a button iso than a HJ iso.

Anyway, super easy fist pump value bet on the river. The c/r is super gross to face since he seems to have raised into 2 players. I think that makes it even less likely that he is bluffing. And why would he bluff now instead of on a previous street if he had a draw? I wonder if it is possible that he has something like KJ and was waiting for a clean runout (which he got). I am definitely calling since his line makes no sense. 88 should be 3-betting pre-flop and K8s should be check-raising the flop most of the time. This somewhat increases the chances that he has something strange that we beat.
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06-28-2021 , 05:06 PM
Yes, you got the action right. I raised from UTG+1 in a six handed game after UTG limped in. On the river, I bet, sb raised, and UTG folded.

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I wonder if it is possible that he has something like KJ and was waiting for a clean runout (which he got). I am definitely calling since his line makes no sense. 88 should be 3-betting pre-flop and K8s should be check-raising the flop most of the time. This somewhat increases the chances that he has something strange that we beat.
This was my thinking too. He could potentially be value raising something worse? Idk, it seems thin, but also seems very hard to fold given the size of the pot.
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06-29-2021 , 04:12 PM
Since you didn't count the pot for us it makes me wonder why you didn't think we needed that info here, but regardless, you don't need your hand to be good very often to call. Without a pretty reliable read, call. There are some players who you know are never bluffing here but you would have told us if this was one.
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06-29-2021 , 06:17 PM
^ 11~ BB one BB to call. I will include that info next time.

Last edited by checkraisdraw; 06-29-2021 at 06:27 PM.
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06-30-2021 , 02:10 AM
fold 18% of the time
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07-04-2021 , 09:03 AM
What's with all the assuming villian plays like us itt. It's not that weird, it's 20/40. Maybe he wanted to fade the FDs before raising A5/33 because people do that, who knows. He doesn't have KJ.
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07-05-2021 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ChuckFinley
What's with all the assuming villian plays like us itt. It's not that weird, it's 20/40. Maybe he wanted to fade the FDs before raising A5/33 because people do that, who knows. He doesn't have KJ.
If he doesn’t play like us then he could have AK/KQ//KJ here.
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07-05-2021 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
If he doesn’t play like us then he could have AK/KQ//KJ here.
Not really. It's not that binary.
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07-05-2021 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChuckFinley
Not really. It's not that binary.
You may want to explain your thought process else others are just going to assume you don’t know what you are talking about.
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07-16-2021 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChuckFinley
Not really. It's not that binary.
If he's capable of irrational lines with his sets, Kx 2pair, and a wheel, then why not KJ? IF villain has flawed logic, then he has it for his entire range. Over valuing KJ, KT isn't any crazier then then the other possibilities?

I snap call even if he rarely bluffs. Too much doubt given weird line
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07-19-2021 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MetaGameOver
If he's capable of irrational lines with his sets, Kx 2pair, and a wheel, then why not KJ? IF villain has flawed logic, then he has it for his entire range. Over valuing KJ, KT isn't any crazier then then the other possibilities?

I snap call even if he rarely bluffs. Too much doubt given weird line
That was my point.
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