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What hands does a TAG playing out of his comfort zone raise two limpers with that is "dominated" by K9? (Domination meaning a better King or a better 9 right? Because this type of player is not going to be the type to raise K8s or J9s or 10,9s.)

no so much worse suited kings, but worse suited 9s I would, and he should, be raising down to 98s.

i would say not raising T9s OTB after 2 weak limpers is a significant mistake

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11-03-2008 , 04:02 PM

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private joker

Most Definitely

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Originally Posted by Tryptamean

no so much worse suited kings, but worse suited 9s I would, and he should, be raising down to 98s.

But suited 9s are such a small percentage of his range compared to offsuit kings like KTo, KJo, KQo, and AKo. Those hands are dealt with 3x as much frequency (not to mention all the suited kings to add to it).

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11-03-2008 , 04:45 PM

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Tryptamean

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yeah, exactly, i was just mentioning that because it is something positive regarding preflop ranges...

but the real issue is that its a super ez call preflop because of the price we are getting, and domination concerns do not trump that imo...

i just wanted to respond to the poster that there are in fact some worse hands in villain's range..

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11-03-2008 , 11:26 PM

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jesse8888

Yes, you barred

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Originally Posted by donking

Not sure what to add. I would not have paid off a river c/r. When seeing your hand I was surprised you didn't c/r the river.

Any hands you wouldn't have paid off on the river if I'd have bet?

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11-04-2008 , 02:11 AM

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jesse8888

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Also, Don, I meant no ill-will by saying you were playing "a little over your comfort level" here. I just wanted to get the point across that I was playing against someone more like you and less like, say, CDC, The Animal, or Professor Ben.

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11-04-2008 , 02:24 AM

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9.5fingershuffle

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20-40 is over my comfort level and I still animal cause its just chips

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11-04-2008 , 06:13 AM

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donking

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 246

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

Live 20/40 that is pretty good. Two limpers who are not particularly good and end up not mattering limp. 2p2er button raises. He is solid, playing a little above his comfort level, and not very likely to screw around (although it's of course possible). .

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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy

-kid's playing over his comfort level
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Originally Posted by jesse8888

Seems that part of my image is good. Funny how SS thinks I'm a kid.

Don't see how anyone with my results could be animal. Have about 155 hours lifetime 20/40 with most hands like this one for -168 BB. Haven't put in the numbers for October yet, but have about 40 hours of 20/40 for -13 BB.

Guess I need to start playing more hands and raising T9s on the button.

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11-04-2008 , 06:26 AM

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donking

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 246

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

Any hands you wouldn't have paid off on the river if I'd have bet?

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Originally Posted by ship it pls

i fold preflop and on turn
i bet/call river given flushdraw on flop

- i wrote this before you said you were afraid he would fold the river if you bet, which i hope is not true for his sake, but would lean toward folding to more resistance on the end, so i would bet/fold instead

If Jesse bets-out/donks on the river when the K hits, you are saying it is a mistake to fold TT, JJ, QQ here in a 10 big-bet pot.

Recall that the final board is 985-5-K. BTN raised pre-flop, Jesse c/r flop from the BB with K9o, BTN raised on the turn.

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