Game is kill and I have the leg. 10 small bets trigger the kill.

I open JJ Co (also utg+1) bad player calls bb. Flop 974cc I have a club. Chk chk.

Turn Ad chk bet call

River 9c chk chk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

maybe a little loose preflop but rest is standard

Are you checking flop to try an avoid the kill? Seems like a clear bet spot.

I'd cbet flop because I play bad.

I'd bet river as played because I play atrocious.

Confident as played by OP is correct if stinkypete notes as being standard except pf.

Unless it was a joke, I'd raise pf 100% even with leg in kill.

If you have the leg, does this mean you posted?

I'm kidding about preflop but the rest is def standard imo

How wide you should be opening depends a ton on what kind of bad the bb is tho, much more so in this spot than in a standard lhe hand

I would bet the flop for value and to possibly fold out an overcard or two. I guess that's not standard?

Ehh, seems like a weird line. Flop has to be a standard cbet and i much prefer betting river as played.

Betting the river would be very very bad. As a general rule making a thin value bet when if you get your best outcome (Ie they call you win) you have to kill it, you should just check.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The only close spot is the flop

Flop really is the crux of the hand but I think this is a spot (flop and river really) I see many strong players messing up in soft games so I thought I’d post. The problem with betting the flop is that there’s almost no way to avoid getting to 10 bets if you do as long as your opponent continues (which he will a ton on this texture). Also the pot is small so the deception you gain plus the much higher likelihood you won’t have to post the kill utg is worth the smaller relative cost of giving the free card


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m still unclear on the betting here. So you posted a half kill and raised and then bb called so 4 sb on flop? Or because of post 6 sb on flop?

I’m probably betting JJ here and checking KK

No I have the leg up meaning if this pot is 5 big bets or more and I won it I’m going to have to post the kill.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ah. I’ve never played in a game like this. Mine you win two in a row you post a half kill. I think you played it perfect.

I usually base my flop checks here around if I'm drunk enough that the guy to my left will have to stack my chips for me if I win. Seems like a clear bet.

Why isn’t it better to maximize value when you likely have the best hand than playing in such a way that you save having to post the kill next hand?
I’ve played in plenty of half kill games, and I’ve never considered trying to control the size of a pot for kill purposes— especially here when we have a vulnerable overpair to the board.

How much do you think you lose when you post a kill utg?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It is better to maximize ev - but you have to look at the math of the particular situation. If this was multi way or pit was bigger, otr would certainly bet the flop. Here, he played it to maximize $$$ without triggering kill (by forgoing a small bet on the flop and getting only one on turn).

Best case scenario is that big blind c/c three streets, making otr a total of 3 big bets. He then has to post a big bet utg (he has some value here as he wins sometimes, but I bet he loses .9 big bets here). So bet bet bet nets him 2.1 big blinds

The way he played it got him 1.5 big bets.

Slightly less than when you post a kill utg+1

x2 i play it same.

I don't play in kill LHE games much, so I'm not sure how much EV you lose having to be the killer UTG.

I think you might be overlooking the fact that this board is either getting you action most or all of the way, or it's getting none. If it's getting none, you're not the klller. If it's getting action, then as soon as you check back on the flop when you otherwise would have gotten called or raised, you're already tossing away a lot of EV right there.

Additionally, if is just chasing a draw and missing, if he simply calls the flop and turn, there's no kill pot. So there you're charging the draws, not engaging the kill, and then you can check back the river.

I agree that, as played, you might as well check back the river at that point. But I think the combo of the flop action and river call makes it worth being the killer. Also keep in mind that if he has any pair, he is firing the turn and river anyway, and you're still the killer.

In short: I understand why you did what you did, but I would have just played it straightforward.

I think the kill pot is triggered with a flop call and turn call

Yup

Does the cost of the kill increase if you post it in the hj 5h compared to posting it in the hj 9h?

Just curious...how do you keep track of who won the last pot?