Thanks!
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Originally Posted by UpHillBothWays
first, you're operating under the assumption that if a) you make some reasonable changes to your play/behavior, then b) you'll be invited back.
I think that's a correct assumption. They go hot and cold with me. If I modified my behavior, I believe I'd eventually be a part of the accepted regular group. Over time. And that is my goal.
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second, if you're not willing to play in a few (you said tons, that's glib) -EV or EV neutral spots, stop gambling. you need to do this for sure.
Ya, that was an exaggeration. In reality it's more like I'm looking for only the best spots and avoiding neutral or slightly +EV spots. There aren't many lineups where I'm a dog by much.
Ok so modification 1 I can live with is to stop being such a ****ing nit about games I play in. I might not play in them all, but I will stop asking who is playing and just come and play whenever I'm invited. That's worth a shot at least.
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third, there's a difference between being the life at the party and not being talkative at all. if you're unwilling to change your personality even a bit, then as BBB said, don't bother and keep playing only when you're "at the casino" (seems weird that a casino game doesn't have a set start time).
This I have no idea how to modify. Am I supposed to ask them about sports or something? I guess I can try to join in their conversations but they are usually talking about their real life stuff, of which I am not a part. I'm also a bit intimidated because most of them are rich and older than me. We are not equals, except at the poker table. So it's hard for me to make conversation or banter as an equal. If that makes sense.
Also ya there is no start time. It is a weird game. It's all just spontaneous via text. Can be on various days/times or not go at all for awhile.
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fourth, bumhunting live is insanely terrible for games. live games are like an ecosystem. if people PERSONALLY FEEL they are being taken advantage of, they won't want you in their game. period. stop bumhunting and play w/ a tougher lineup or gtfo. it sounds like you're under-rolled for this game. i may be wrong but there's really no other reason to not play in a live casino-located game that "isn't great" if you're a solid player. you need to keep the game going/alive and it's everybody's "job" to do so. you're not doing your part, so why should they go out of their way to invite you?
I would say this game is at the very top of the games I am rolled for and I am a bankroll nit. So while I can 'afford' it, I'm still cautious. But I will try as I said to play regardless of the lineup, and see if that improves the situation.
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i can't imagine how these guys must feel seeing you win, pickup, and not even rathole, but go play a smaller game lol. basically you're a dick in this sense (really every sense of how you approach this game, like it's your royal right to have your pick/choosing of who and how to play in a live game that isn't yours).
So if I decide to leave the game, are you saying it would be smarter to just go home? That's rough but I guess I could do that.
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it'll take at least a few times of not seeing you lock up wins/go play smaller games (i bet you've never or rarely done that with a loss),
Never had a chance to. I've run like god in the game. Only had one 10 BB loss, otherwise I have crushed. Part of the problem. They see me raping the game and don't like it. This I am not willing to modify
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and honestly, your not talking is like 1% of the issue yet you've labeled it as some huge % of the thing you can't change. your poker ettiquette/behavior is the issue, not the fact you're introverted at the table.
That's great to hear because for me that is the hardest to fix.
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EDIT: ACTUALLY, the live/online thing CAN be brought to an analogous situation. stars button rules at high limits. people MASTERED getting the button every time and it RUINED the stars high stakes games completely. you're doing the same thing.
It's not the same but I agree I am manipulating things in a way that pisses people off. And I'll try to stop doing that. Both so they have a better time and so I get invited to play more often.
Thanks again.