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07-19-2013 , 03:04 PM
players that have no intention of playing 3+ handed shouldn't be sitting at any tables other than hu. I know there are some doing this, prolly hoping to catch that rec player that won't sit at the hu tables.
This is annoying, extremely disrespectful and I'm pretty sure that if you filter their hands to 3+ handed games they will not have paid their share of blinds either.

imho this behaviour should be sanctioned just as well. It's easy to know exactly who is doing this at the fl tables across stars and ftp.
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07-19-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sammael
players that have no intention of playing 3+ handed shouldn't be sitting at any tables other than hu. I know there are some doing this, prolly hoping to catch that rec player that won't sit at the hu tables.
This is annoying, extremely disrespectful and I'm pretty sure that if you filter their hands to 3+ handed games they will not have paid their share of blinds either.

imho this behaviour should be sanctioned just as well. It's easy to know exactly who is doing this at the fl tables across stars and ftp.

best avatar ever. MJ is the king!
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07-19-2013 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by piranha
I sent an email to highstakes about four days ago asking for clarification on "Fake Table Starting". Hopefully the answer will give an idea to how many orbits someone is supposed to play.

My understanding right now is that a player needs to play at least two orbits if they start a table. But, in my opinion, I don't think it should be a fixed number that exempts someone from violating the "Fake Table Starting" rule. If someone only plays two orbits over and over, they are clearly angling and aren't starting games with the intention of playing in them. To me, that's really the key. The person starting tables should have the intention of playing 6-max or full ring at those tables and someone consistently leaving after two orbits has no intention of playing 6-max or full ring.

That said I know a lot heads up players are sitting at tables in hopes of getting heads up games. They don't like to play 6-max or full ring so often leave quickly. So I'm not really sure where they fit into this. Are the people starting tables required/expected to play 6-max or full ring? If they are a heads up player and have no intention of playing 6-max, should they leave immediately when the third player sits?

I would definitely like to hear other's thoughts on this as it's a relatively new issue, somewhat complicated, and I don't claim to have the answers.
I think it depends on the new player whom join if they want to play HU or ring. Most regs are there long enough to actually know the guys whom exclusively play HU. We can always ask if we could join the game and if both wants to play HU,respect the decision and kindly leave.

One thing i was thinking about is to enforce some kind of freezeout structure where everyone has to buy in (for example)at least 20bb where they have to play till they bust it or play for 120 hands before they can leave. I think it encourages games to get up more regularly and the angle shooters cant really fake start a game no more.
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07-19-2013 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sammael
players that have no intention of playing 3+ handed shouldn't be sitting at any tables other than hu. I know there are some doing this, prolly hoping to catch that rec player that won't sit at the hu tables.
This is annoying, extremely disrespectful and I'm pretty sure that if you filter their hands to 3+ handed games they will not have paid their share of blinds either.

imho this behaviour should be sanctioned just as well. It's easy to know exactly who is doing this at the fl tables across stars and ftp.
This could be reasonable if Stars spread hu tables (over 10/20). As is, the only possibility of ever getting hu action is sitting at 6 or 9 max tables.
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07-20-2013 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kryosuke
I think it depends on the new player whom join if they want to play HU or ring. Most regs are there long enough to actually know the guys whom exclusively play HU. We can always ask if we could join the game and if both wants to play HU,respect the decision and kindly leave.
I think this generally is what happens these days. It's extremely rare though that a player sits and requests heads up, maybe 1/50 players do this. But most regulars do respect the recreational player's request and sit out, there are a few exceptions I can think of though.

The situation that often develops is the heads up specialist has started a table and it instantly fills and they are dealt a hand. So what do they do in this case especially if they've started with the button? Do they play one hand and risk getting reported for playing a non-blind hand and leaving? Do they play to their small blind and leave playing an equal number of positions? Do they play two orbits and leave which nets them an extra button but at least seems to be within the rules if it's not done consistently?

And perhaps the bigger question is should a heads up player be sitting at an empty table at all if they don't intend to play full ring?

Again I don't know the answers to these questions, we need clarification from someone at Stars.
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07-20-2013 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Avataren
best avatar ever. MJ is the king!
ty. he was great, yes.

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This could be reasonable if Stars spread hu tables (over 10/20). As is, the only possibility of ever getting hu action is sitting at 6 or 9 max tables.
I can understand this can be annoying to hu players who seek action only from rec players, but if there is a reduced number of hu tables, there's a reason for it - moving the hu traffic to 6-max and fr tables was probably not it.
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07-21-2013 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by piranha
I think this generally is what happens these days. It's extremely rare though that a player sits and requests heads up, maybe 1/50 players do this. But most regulars do respect the recreational player's request and sit out, there are a few exceptions I can think of though.

The situation that often develops is the heads up specialist has started a table and it instantly fills and they are dealt a hand. So what do they do in this case especially if they've started with the button? Do they play one hand and risk getting reported for playing a non-blind hand and leaving? Do they play to their small blind and leave playing an equal number of positions? Do they play two orbits and leave which nets them an extra button but at least seems to be within the rules if it's not done consistently?

And perhaps the bigger question is should a heads up player be sitting at an empty table at all if they don't intend to play full ring?

Again I don't know the answers to these questions, we need clarification from someone at Stars.
not to be "racist" about the stakes. but i think when you sit at a 100/200+ 6max/fr table as a HU specialist its okay to ask for HU only. But they should also be prepared to play 3+ since it is a multiway table and not a hu. if they dont want 3+ go sit at hu tables only (which i think there should be more of at higher stakes) as i see it

as of right now i think the reason why the hu specialists sit at 6max or fr tables is simply because the hu tables doesn't get enough attention as when a rec looks for a table to play at it usually falls on a 6max table. and sadly i dont see many rec players want to play hu all that often.
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07-21-2013 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Avataren
not to be "racist" about the stakes. but i think when you sit at a 100/200+ 6max/fr table as a HU specialist its okay to ask for HU only. But they should also be prepared to play 3+ since it is a multiway table and not a hu. if they dont want 3+ go sit at hu tables only (which i think there should be more of at higher stakes) as i see it

as of right now i think the reason why the hu specialists sit at 6max or fr tables is simply because the hu tables doesn't get enough attention as when a rec looks for a table to play at it usually falls on a 6max table. and sadly i dont see many rec players want to play hu all that often.
There are no heads up tables above 10/20 so even if a player does want to play heads up, he's forced to sit at 6-max or 10-max. The fact that there are no heads up tables I think speaks to Poker Stars feeling on heads up games, they don't want them. But there are some rec players that insist on heads up and usually the regs respect the rec player's wishes and let him play heads up with somebody. But as I mentioned, this happens very infrequently.
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07-21-2013 , 05:02 PM
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There are no heads up tables above 10/20 so even if a player does want to play heads up, he's forced to sit at 6-max or 10-max. The fact that there are no heads up tables I think speaks to Poker Stars feeling on heads up games, they don't want them. But there are some rec players that insist on heads up and usually the regs respect the rec player's wishes and let him play heads up with somebody. But as I mentioned, this happens very infrequently.
Why wouldnt they want them?
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07-21-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Why wouldnt they want them?
Somebody else can probably better answer that question (like Poker Stars) but I would speculate it's due to the substantial edge a reg has over a rec player. HU edges can easily be in the 5-10 BB/100 range. Compare that to 6-max where the best regs are in the .5 BB/100 - 1 BB/100 range. So the money trades hands more often at 6-max and a lot more rake is paid.
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07-22-2013 , 02:49 AM
its gotta be another reason cuz they added up to 50/100 NL hu
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07-22-2013 , 10:07 AM
why in gods name wouldn't they want hu tables above 10/20 that makes no sense at all. on ftp theres what 2k/4k tables ? 500/1000 tables in nl / pl whatever. i dont think it has anything to do with rake i think its solely because they are getting lazy. and never have met the need for hu tables "that high" .. Like as in nobody has asked for it. so yeah the hu specialists like jama, Yoghii , kpr and all the other guys has to sit at 6max or fr tables to get any action at all. which imo forces the hu specialists to be in an uncomfortable enviroment when suddenly 2 - 4 people sits at the table .. To be honest id leave pretty quickly too and wouldn't care if that was seen as BB stealing like jama was doing on purpose. I think what happened to jama and most problems the hs limit games are suffering from in most cases can be directed towards Pokerstars lazyness to actually change some of their software if thats the error.
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07-22-2013 , 10:37 AM
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why in gods name wouldn't they want hu tables above 10/20 that makes no sense at all.
Just because it does not make sense to YOU does not mean that it does not make sense.
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07-22-2013 , 12:06 PM
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Just because it does not make sense to YOU does not mean that it does not make sense.
please stop being alive troll your a waste of life on this planet. we all know you only made that account to bash jama. stupid troll cant show his real face.
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07-22-2013 , 12:46 PM
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please stop being alive troll your a waste of life on this planet. we all know you only made that account to bash jama. stupid troll cant show his real face.
I don't think that means what you think it means, Hemingway.

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07-22-2013 , 01:55 PM
Clearly PS dont want HU to run at 15/30+. Why they dont want it should be obvious if you look at economics from their perspective (rake vs money deposited etc)
Regs sometimes will let HU run if rec player wants it simply because pissing off the fish usually isnt a clever thing to do. In a perfect world where no fish wanted HU then there really should be no HU specialists left on PS 15/30+.
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07-22-2013 , 05:07 PM
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Clearly PS dont want HU to run at 15/30+. Why they dont want it should be obvious if you look at economics from their perspective (rake vs money deposited etc)
Regs sometimes will let HU run if rec player wants it simply because pissing off the fish usually isnt a clever thing to do. In a perfect world where no fish wanted HU then there really should be no HU specialists left on PS 15/30+.
dont you find that extremely sad and bad?
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07-22-2013 , 05:08 PM
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I don't think that means what you think it means, Hemingway.
my god how sad is your life? that my grammar errors is worth mentioning as an insult ?
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07-22-2013 , 08:22 PM
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my god how sad is your life? that my grammar errors is worth mentioning as an insult ?
You opened the door, I merely walked through it. Now shut the **** up and go back to being a Jama apologist you ignorant fool.
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07-23-2013 , 10:47 AM
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You opened the door, I merely walked through it. Now shut the **** up and go back to being a Jama apologist you ignorant fool.
sigh

good luck have fun in your life man your gonna need it.
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07-23-2013 , 11:01 AM
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sigh

good luck have fun in your life man your gonna need it.
I don't think that means what you think it means.

You are obviously a very slow learner, which explains why you are defending Jarma and why you can't beat 5c/10c. Maybe you can hire him to teach you his buttoning angle. I bet you could beat the games then!!!

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07-23-2013 , 01:10 PM
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I don't think that means what you think it means.

You are obviously a very slow learner, which explains why you are defending Jarma and why you can't beat 5c/10c. Maybe you can hire him to teach you his buttoning angle. I bet you could beat the games then!!!
last time im gonna reply to you.

yeah im a slow learner sorry to say that to you. yes im a noob in poker i only beat 5/10c for 2.5BB/100 and thats it. Im happy i am a grinder and not a gambler. so i dont feel the need to go play 100/200 anytime soon. you must really have a boring life if you think that would piss me off and make me go into a troll war with you too bad buddy. bye bye.

PS: oh and you dont know anything about my results assuming im a losing player just because i am intellectual smarter than you.
know when to stop your endless stream of trolling.
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08-20-2014 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by feruell

I wait for a good game. Sometimes games I'm not interesting in starting at my tables. I politely play few orbits and then leave. What else can I do?
Lol, u wait for good games? Truly a lie
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08-29-2014 , 12:18 PM
so where did t-Piranha go?
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08-29-2014 , 12:19 PM
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so where did t-Piranha go?
on a break. he gave up on SNE this year and now just enjoying his time outside of poker.
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