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Old 07-12-2016, 07:22 PM   #351
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Re: Jacks for Three Bets

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How could he not, given his response and the OP in this thread.
That response was expert, btw.
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Old 07-12-2016, 10:06 PM   #352
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The guys in the 20/40 canterbury lhe barely know what planet they are on, let alone what position they are in. And queen jack off is one of the better hands they play. This game often plays like a 2006 lhe.

20/40 at bellagio sounds awful in comparison.
Well wtf that isn't very nice.

FWIW I have a decent amount of hours in a few different 20 games and imo:

CP >>>> Commerce >> CAZ >>> B

The last few times I played at the B it was pretty much a nitfest. And I played primetime hours as well.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:14 PM   #353
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If you dislike the B 20 game, you're playing in truly great spots. Did you ever play the Colorado 30 game? At least before ZOMG took all the money, it was reportedly good. Now? Probably just passing IOUs around. Bellatrix also basically unloaded the vault on her trip through. Road gamblers are hard on us locals.
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:18 AM   #354
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Even given the title of the thread, I was just surprised JJ was ever a fold to a BTN open and SB 3 bet .
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:24 AM   #355
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Well wtf that isn't very nice.

FWIW I have a decent amount of hours in a few different 20 games and imo:

CP >>>> Commerce >> CAZ >>> B

The last few times I played at the B it was pretty much a nitfest. And I played primetime hours as well.
Limited experience but for me it's:

Borgata > Bellagio > Foxwoods when the pros no-show > Foxwoods when the pros show up.

I haven't played a ton of Borg 20, but every time I did, I was impressed by the game quality (tons of loose action pre, terrible slowplays, even worse flop peels, even worse flop bluffs, missed river bets in spots where it's obvious their hand is best, etc).
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:44 AM   #356
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It is more that it is probably the worst of the 20 games I've played. Still incredibly beatable though. I just think other games are better. I played at Blackhawk once so really not enough to tell but the game seemed much more tame than I had heard.
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:09 AM   #357
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My observations:
Commerce and LA/SoCal area in general: loose, aggro, crazy, but fun!
B and Vegas in general (except when a drunk tourists strangely wanders in): tight, passive, boring. They get huffing and puffing if you beat them with a "bad" hand.
Blackhawk: loose, passive, (too) friendly, makes it correct to just open limp in EP sometimes, e.g.
B101 and other Bay Area: actually weird, like half the game are pretty good players, but the other half are tech money people that sort of take similar to the LA games, but lack the crazy vibe.
Washington State (back when there actually mid limit games): tight, but passive and boooy, did they take a long time, like they would stare you down on a river decision... in limit...
Have not played CAZ/East Coast.
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Old 04-26-2020, 01:40 PM   #358
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To be fair that was an above average 80 game (I was in it for several hours and a bit ahead of you at the cage), but it really begs the question why don't the super solid 20/40 pros that play correctly preflop move up and crush these bigger games? My answer would be their post flop play is mediocre and even though 80/160 players are often too loose they are very tough opponents and most solid small stakes players would not adjust well. I realize this is basically an unrelated discussion I just find it interesting.
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Old 04-26-2020, 06:00 PM   #359
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My observations:
Commerce and LA/SoCal area in general: loose, aggro, crazy, but fun!
B and Vegas in general (except when a drunk tourists strangely wanders in): tight, passive, boring. They get huffing and puffing if you beat them with a "bad" hand.
Blackhawk: loose, passive, (too) friendly, makes it correct to just open limp in EP sometimes, e.g.
B101 and other Bay Area: actually weird, like half the game are pretty good players, but the other half are tech money people that sort of take similar to the LA games, but lack the crazy vibe.
Washington State (back when there actually mid limit games): tight, but passive and boooy, did they take a long time, like they would stare you down on a river decision... in limit...
Have not played CAZ/East Coast.
+1 at least during those years for Commerce & B.

Thank you very much for this bellatrix

Make me eager to go play at places I haven't played LHE yet in 2021 post Qurantine.

PS: B epic grind from 8pm - 8am+ have never resulted in bad sessions per small sample as tourist during those years since regs tilt well in long sessions.

NOTE: This was during 2016 range and I never played higher than 60/120 which I usually left around 12am when I played at B. Only played 20/40 when playing until 8am+ based on flight home.

PS 2: Commerce still phenomenal 20/40+ per my experience during recent LAPC Jan 16 to MLK 2020

NOTE 2: Did not play higher than 20/40 this trip at Commerce. However, best friend who I went with played 20/40, 40/80, 60/120 and indicated games were phenomenal sans him running bad to only be slight winner for trip

60/120 short handed at Commerce is the best LHE game in USA in my biased opinion per LAPC during 2016 or so & based on info via my friend sessions in 2020.

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