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I dont like folding. I dont like folding.

04-22-2022 , 11:04 AM
3 handed as part of a mix, BB is bracelet winning expert. He seems to be waiting for the turn a lot

I open AJo on the button, flop is 27T, he c/c, turn is Qr, he c/r
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04-24-2022 , 12:18 AM
Even experts tend to start pulling the trigger on the later streets when they're running well, so that kinda sucks. Just to make yourself more difficult to play against though it might make sense to 3bet here some % of the time. Your hand has decent showdown value, you may improve, and the FSDR doesn't have to work to make others secondguess their future c/r attempts. The more faceup you're able to make him play the better, so even though a 4bet is a disaster it's still good to open up if he's attacking on that street very often. In a vacuum, this is just a call the c/r and reevaluate on the river decision, but there is some value in being difficult to play against so if you freeze him with KJ or a single pair hand it's useful.
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04-25-2022 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
3 handed as part of a mix, BB is bracelet winning expert. He seems to be waiting for the turn a lot

I open AJo on the button, flop is 27T, he c/c, turn is Qr, he c/r
Tldn.

So how much did you win?

PS: Probably not folding most run outs unless you have excellent plans for this 3 handed / HUHU game
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07-23-2022 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1
Even experts tend to start pulling the trigger on the later streets when they're running well, so that kinda sucks. Just to make yourself more difficult to play against though it might make sense to 3bet here some % of the time. Your hand has decent showdown value, you may improve, and the FSDR doesn't have to work to make others secondguess their future c/r attempts. The more faceup you're able to make him play the better, so even though a 4bet is a disaster it's still good to open up if he's attacking on that street very often. In a vacuum, this is just a call the c/r and reevaluate on the river decision, but there is some value in being difficult to play against so if you freeze him with KJ or a single pair hand it's useful.
+1

Think better to check turn as ninefingershuffle on BTN.

As played bet/call turn reevaluate on river.

Think I'd call river on most run outs.

OT: Expert in BB was running bad in non-mix only LHE 3 handed last time I played with similar 3rd, maniac LAG in this game with ninefingershuffle.

Expert in BB had quite a large number of optimistic semi bluffs on turn when I played against Expert BB 3 handed.
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07-24-2022 , 01:27 PM
Is there any FD? Seems like no.

The Q is a great card for you to barrel, but he knows that you’re barreling it, so I’m certainly disinclined to fold.

A 3-bet is sexy (you can’t really fold to a 4 bet which sucks but whatever) just to try to move the dynamic back in your favor.

What do you do if he 4-bets, you call and river an A and he still bets?
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07-25-2022 , 12:39 PM
I don't like the turn 3 bet. If he is bluffing then let him bluff. If he has a pair you are just charging yourself to draw. If I chose to 3 bet, I'd fire the river in the hopes he was just drawing to two pair and might fold. That's too big of a parlay and too expensive of a bluff.

I would just call the CR and probably call the river. I would fold a 9 and maybe an 8.
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07-25-2022 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Grease
The Q is a great card for you to barrel, but he knows that you’re barreling it, so I’m certainly disinclined to fold.

A 3-bet is sexy (you can’t really fold to a 4 bet which sucks but whatever) just to try to move the dynamic back in your favor.
This is the exact kind of thinking that leads us to call down in hopeless spots. Just because hero is likely to bet on a given board does not mean that villain is check-raising air. We are betting boards with a high frequency that favor our range, and betting less when it does not favor our range. That has a built in defense against check-raises: it is dangerous to check raise someone on a board that favors them, so villain is disincentivized to do so too widely.

I'm not saying to fold here, just that the reason for calling (or raising) is not that villain knows we are betting the Q on the turn with a high frequency. It's really easy to talk yourself into calling because your opponent "knows" you have bluffs, or knows you are c-betting a lot, or knows a host of other things. But that can convince you to call down with like everything. And yeah, it's limit and we are encouraged to be a bit stationy, but even that has limits.
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07-25-2022 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I don't like the turn 3 bet. If he is bluffing then let him bluff. If he has a pair you are just charging yourself to draw. If I chose to 3 bet, I'd fire the river in the hopes he was just drawing to two pair and might fold. That's too big of a parlay and too expensive of a bluff.

I would just call the CR and probably call the river. I would fold a 9 and maybe an 8.
+1

3 handed LHE is similar to HUHU. Ideally want to SD cheap with Ahi vs expert LAGTAG.

Ninefingershuffle informed mW thought thould have checked turn which I agree.

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Originally Posted by Grease
Is there any FD? Seems like no.

The Q is a great card for you to barrel, but he knows that you’re barreling it, so I’m certainly disinclined to fold.

A 3-bet is sexy (you can’t really fold to a 4 bet which sucks but whatever) just to try to move the dynamic back in your favor.

What do you do if he 4-bets, you call and river an A and he still bets?

-1 on turn 3bet which is FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) imo.

Would call turn 4 bet. Puke call river A.

OT: Ninefingershuffle would have hit K on river for max value
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07-26-2022 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hardinthepaint
This is the exact kind of thinking that leads us to call down in hopeless spots. Just because hero is likely to bet on a given board does not mean that villain is check-raising air. We are betting boards with a high frequency that favor our range, and betting less when it does not favor our range. That has a built in defense against check-raises: it is dangerous to check raise someone on a board that favors them, so villain is disincentivized to do so too widely.

I'm not saying to fold here, just that the reason for calling (or raising) is not that villain knows we are betting the Q on the turn with a high frequency. It's really easy to talk yourself into calling because your opponent "knows" you have bluffs, or knows you are c-betting a lot, or knows a host of other things. But that can convince you to call down with like everything. And yeah, it's limit and we are encouraged to be a bit stationy, but even that has limits.
I wasn’t saying that he has total air and tk blindly call down, just that we have a number of hands that barrel here that he can C/R for value because he knows we have weak draws a nonzero percent of the time.

But your point is well made in general regarding range advantage on this board and action.
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08-01-2022 , 03:57 PM
Hand 1

Are we really trying to extract super thin value vs an expert ?
Pot small , good SD value , good hand to induce bluff ,
Im checking turn shrug .

U know he wait turn for value , I would exploit him by abusing flop cbet and checking more turn .
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08-01-2022 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
It’s an even easier call down if the guy never 4bet pf .
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Originally Posted by Grease
I wasn’t saying that he has total air and tk blindly call down, just that we have a number of hands that barrel here that he can C/R for value because he knows we have weak draws a nonzero percent of the time.

But your point is well made in general regarding range advantage on this board and action.
+1 Grease

-1 Montreal Corp

3 handed as part of Mix, think plenty of value to cbet AJo on no FD board
7s5s2d5c
turn by Ninefingershuffle

OT: 3rd in this game is mega maniac fish Negative 10BB/100 fish at minimum
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08-02-2022 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by maka2184
+1 Grease

-1 Montreal Corp

3 handed as part of Mix, think plenty of value to cbet AJo on no FD board
7s5s2d5c
turn by Ninefingershuffle

OT: 3rd in this game is mega maniac fish Negative 10BB/100 fish at minimum
Why would u bet the turn when u know his playing his strong range on that street with weakish value hand ?

I think our hand value is worth more 1big bet then a 3 big bet at SD.
And u can raise the river anyway when u hit .
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08-02-2022 , 08:58 PM
How much does this guy 3 bet preflop and how much does he check raise flop? I would consider checking back this flop against someone with a low preflop 3bet percentage or a high flop check raise percentage. Assuming you've accounted for those variables and decided betting the flop is optimal, the turn seems like a great card to barrel and you're stuck calling because you have 4 to a broadway straight! Even with no flush draws materializing on the turn, you should probably still bluff-catch the river if it's really an expert. Good luck!
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08-03-2022 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
How much does this guy 3 bet preflop and how much does he check raise flop? I would consider checking back this flop against someone with a low preflop 3bet percentage or a high flop check raise percentage. Assuming you've accounted for those variables and decided betting the flop is optimal, the turn seems like a great card to barrel and you're stuck calling because you have 4 to a broadway straight! Even with no flush draws materializing on the turn, you should probably still bluff-catch the river if it's really an expert. Good luck!
+1

Per experience with BB expert, PF 3bet% was high. Flop check range lower per BB former online HUHU player.

If Ninefingershuffle checks turn on 27TQr, potentially makes Ninefingershuffle exploitativable especially 3 handed imo.

Ninefingershuffle is great so guessing would have bluff catch on river at correct frequency %
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08-09-2022 , 01:58 AM
Three handed, he was three betting pre plenty and not check raising the flop much. There is just way too much value here to check back the flop. He pretty much has all the cards and AJ is better than them. I think it retrospect, I would have checked the turn and decided the river, but whatever.
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08-09-2022 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Three handed, he was three betting pre plenty and not check raising the flop much. There is just way too much value here to check back the flop. He pretty much has all the cards and AJ is better than them. I think it retrospect, I would have checked the turn and decided the river, but whatever.
+1

I think turn is a check per your analysis right?

I'm 90% betting turn fyi since I love donations to poker eco system
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08-21-2022 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Hand 1

Are we really trying to extract super thin value vs an expert ?
Pot small , good SD value , good hand to induce bluff ,
Im checking turn shrug .

U know he wait turn for value , I would exploit him by abusing flop cbet and checking more turn .
+1. 3betting the turn with air against an expert is lighting money on fire. I tend to play more of a strictly GTO style against villains who play well post flop. We have showdown value in a small HU pot. Get to showdown cheaply as possible.
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08-21-2022 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE
+1. 3betting the turn with air against an expert is lighting money on fire. I tend to play more of a strictly GTO style against villains who play well post flop. We have showdown value in a small HU pot. Get to showdown cheaply as possible.
+1

Playing GTO checking turn vs expert correct IMO.

OT:
Per sample vs expert 3 handed half kill LHE only, expert deviated quite often from GTO to attempt to exploit others per expert experiences as former HUHU online specialist pre black Friday. In turn, personally thought made expert exploitable based on game flow.
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