It was last weekend. I was 4 off the button and I raised. The whale in the hijack 3bet and the button, who was a reasonable/good player called it. 3 way flop is JT7r. Checked to button who bets. I raise. They both call.
Turn is a 4 and completes the rainbow. They both call me.
River is another 4. I check. Whale bets button folds I call.
Rec players love to bet at paired boards even when it makes no sense for them to have trips, so the check makes some sense. But be careful... some good players will raise their ace hi on the river in this spot to force you off your pairs.
With the board totally bricking off, I prefer to just bet the river though. The button probably calls with AQ/AK and the rec player should have plenty of calling hands. Even stabby rec players often recognize that they can't credibly rep trips in this spot.
Don’t like flop raise. When a “good” player calls three cold in the button and then bets, he usually has it here and there isn’t any much value in getting the whale to fold.
Haha, I misread it and thought the rec player cold-called and the button 3bet. I still c/r flop and bet the big streets though as long as the rec player is reasonably spewy pre-flop.
I don't agree with flop check raise. What hand are you trying to fold out? It seems like we have some showdown value with some chance to improve and it would be good spot to check call down or bet river if turn checks through.
I don't get the flop CR either. I don't see any reason to bloat this pot OOP in a spot where you are getting to the river. It would suck to get 3 bet on the flop or popped on the turn. I'm not expecting the "Whale" to fold anything you want him to.
I think the flop CR is good if we think the whale in the HJ has some suited hands like A5, A7, A8, A9, some of which have backdoor flush draws. Getting him to fold those helps our equity share and if he calls the CR with those hands, he's probably making a mistake. If he doesn't have those hands calling seems better as I'm not clear what hands in his range we are targeting to get out. Then again, if he's a whale, maybe he's got all sorts of crap he calls with here (big mistake) or maybe he folds a hand like KT that should call.
The turn bet seems like a small mistake to me though. Why not check and call a bet here?
flop c/r is terrible. you have SOME sd value and SOME draw equity. not the kind of hand you want to polarize. + even when you have a J and take this line, you're still going to want to check overcard turns. your playability is ****ED
Well button obviously has AK and missed. Given the size of the pot we have to call here, but expect to lose to Jx. There is a small chance he is bluffing with KQ/AQ as they comprise 24 combos of his preflop 3b range if we put BTN on squarely AK and discount 8 of those.
I'm leaning toward a fold on the flop...not a fun spot when we don't close the action and are drawing to the bottom end, especially given that our opponents' ranges include KQo, KQs, JJ, 1010, 99.
If we hit an eight we can't feel too great about it. If we call, I'm donk/folding a 9 on the turn and donk/call an 8 with intention of c/f unless we fill up on the river.
I'm a LHE fish but x/folding the flop getting 14.5:1 sounds atrocious.
Donk-folding a straight on the turn sounds even worse, please don't do that. People would still crank all sorts of 2-pair/sets/pair+SD hands in position there.
