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10-26-2013 , 02:35 AM
Soft 9 handed main game.

UTG is a loose passive uberfish. When he raises on big streets, he basically has it.

UTG +2 is a good young TAG.

LJ is a meh player with a raise button pre.

CO is a huge fish.

BTN is another loose passive.

SB is a baddish, passiveish player.

Action: hero has A K

Pre: All villains above limp, I raise BB, UTG call, +2 3!, LJ/CO call, BTN/SB fold, I cap, 4 calls.

Flop (22 SB): Q 8 6

I check, it checks around

Turn (11 BB): 4

I check, UTG bets, +2 and LJ call, I call.

River (15 BB): A

What's the plan?
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10-26-2013 , 02:41 AM
Even Ray Charles could read your hand.

Bet.
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10-26-2013 , 04:11 AM
bet, definitely fold to a raise if UTG raises or if UTG calls and one of the other players raises, and maybe call a raise if UTG folds and you are closing the action/dont have to overcall.
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10-26-2013 , 07:22 AM
Anyone for just leading the flop?
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10-26-2013 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by alew22
Anyone for just leading the flop?
Not me.
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10-26-2013 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alew22
Anyone for just leading the flop?
Maybe less MW or on a low flop, yes. Definitely not this rainbow atrocity.
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10-26-2013 , 03:58 PM
b/c. Our hand is highly readable from previous action, but several of the players are bad and the pot is large so we'll get some value. I would have a number of other worse Ax in my range. Thus without an excellent read, folding would not be an option.
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10-26-2013 , 04:33 PM
Jdr,

I believe I was utg+2, assuming you don't realize that I'm not that young, and you forgot that I just folded the turn. Other than that everything looks about right. After you raised the field from the bb, I took a large sip from my full plastic cup of jameson. I placed the cup back into the cupholder and right then decided I wanted to win a bather*, since it was Friday night, so I threw in a reraise...


*criteria for a pure bather: bathers are born when a player sees the potential for a big pot and decides to generate action with a marginal hand. The best examples would be hands like 5s2s, 3d6d, 4s7s etc (in the above hand it was 33). where one limps on the button in close to a family pot. At some point it it gets raised and comes back to the player either for two or three bets. The player then just backraises whatever, assuming the high likelihood it's just going to get capped. A qualifying bather should have around 7-way action for at least three bets preflop (20+ sbs...) Then the flop should have about 12-15 more sbs added. The turn and river total should amount to 10+ bbs, or at least 4 bbs per player. The more disguised one's hand is the better the bather. Rivering two pair, a pair turning into a backdoor flush, a flush draw with 4s7s where the turn and river are 4's, etc. Lots of oohs and ahhs arise about how tilted the winner of the pot is, how poorly they played, how unbelievably lucky they are, etc. After the showdown, the dealer has to stand up more or less and use both arms to gather all the chips. The player lays arms flat and extended towards the dealer, who then funnels the chips into the player's arms. A swimming/splashing/bathing motion is created as the player gathers and stacks the chips. The player, who may or may not have just smoked a joint and started enjoying the warmth of large sips of alcohol, will get really happy, and, depending on the players in the hand, might say something like, "how could you call the river? what did you put me on? Did you have a pair? to particular individuals, etc. . . .
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10-26-2013 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by swirlyrodriguez
Jdr,

I believe I was utg+2, assuming you don't realize that I'm not that young, and you forgot that I just folded the turn. Other than that everything looks about right. After you raised the field from the bb, I took a large sip from my full plastic cup of jameson. I placed the cup back into the cupholder and right then decided I wanted to win a bather*, since it was Friday night, so I threw in a reraise...


*criteria for a pure bather: bathers are born when a player sees the potential for a big pot and decides to generate action with a marginal hand. The best examples would be hands like 5s2s, 3d6d, 4s7s etc (in the above hand it was 33). where one limps on the button in close to a family pot. At some point it it gets raised and comes back to the player either for two or three bets. The player then just backraises whatever, assuming the high likelihood it's just going to get capped. A qualifying bather should have around 7-way action for at least three bets preflop (20+ sbs...) Then the flop should have about 12-15 more sbs added. The turn and river total should amount to 10+ bbs, or at least 4 bbs per player. The more disguised one's hand is the better the bather. Rivering two pair, a pair turning into a backdoor flush, a flush draw with 4s7s where the turn and river are 4's, etc. Lots of oohs and ahhs arise about how tilted the winner of the pot is, how poorly they played, how unbelievably lucky they are, etc. After the showdown, the dealer has to stand up more or less and use both arms to gather all the chips. The player lays arms flat and extended towards the dealer, who then funnels the chips into the player's arms. A swimming/splashing/bathing motion is created as the player gathers and stacks the chips. The player, who may or may not have just smoked a joint and started enjoying the warmth of large sips of alcohol, will get really happy, and, depending on the players in the hand, might say something like, "how could you call the river? what did you put me on? Did you have a pair? to particular individuals, etc. . . .
I'm going to guess my A6o spewbot hand doesn't count in this situation
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10-27-2013 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
b/c. Our hand is highly readable from previous action, but several of the players are bad and the pot is large so we'll get some value. I would have a number of other worse Ax in my range. Thus without an excellent read, folding would not be an option.
I'm not sure how many worse Ax we're going to show up with here. Three combos of AJs and three combos of ATs. That's to go with 12 combos of AK, all of which we presumably play the same. And honestly, I'm not sure i cap the ATs preflop oop, AJs seems okay, AJo is marginal for me as well...
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10-27-2013 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alew22
Anyone for just leading the flop?
Me! You only need all to fold 1 out of every 20 times to turn a profit and who knows you may even have the best hand. With a heart, broadway card, and two overs you rate to have enough equity to put in two bets here to get to the turn(not putting in three) anyway.
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10-28-2013 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Loopshot1
Me! You only need all to fold 1 out of every 20 times to turn a profit and who knows you may even have the best hand.
You're thinking that 6 players might fold the flop for one bet in a 22 bet pot?
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10-28-2013 , 02:01 PM
I believe its close enough that the 4 players(# of villains left) not 6, will indeed all fold once out of every twenty times this scenario plays out to warrant a bet. Along with the other reasons I previously stated.
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10-28-2013 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LessLurkMorePost
I'm not sure how many worse Ax we're going to show up with here. Three combos of AJs and three combos of ATs. That's to go with 12 combos of AK, all of which we presumably play the same. And honestly, I'm not sure i cap the ATs preflop oop, AJs seems okay, AJo is marginal for me as well...
A9s and ATo would be insta raise/caps for me pf. Any suited ace is probably something I would do in the moment, but I can understand that kind of thing isn't something everyone is comfortable with.
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10-28-2013 , 04:03 PM
FWIW, I've capped KQo OOP to an overlimp-backraise line before, so A9s would probably be included as well.
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10-29-2013 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Leader
A9s and ATo would be insta raise/caps for me pf. Any suited ace is probably something I would do in the moment, but I can understand that kind of thing isn't something everyone is comfortable with.
Looks like ATo has 18% and any suited ace below A9 has about 17% equity, using some wide, admittedly rough, ranges for players. 17% 6way is okay I guess, we want 16.7% if it's hot/cold, seems reasonable that our better postflop play will make up for being out of position, although this hand/river specifically shows that perhaps that isn't the case.

That said, it would seem to me that AT and AK are the same hand here. I know from a range/GTO/fold a certain amount of the time perspective we have to draw the line somewhere but I'm not sure 6way capped pots are the place to be balancing on the river. Seems like if AK is a b/c then AT is a bet/call because it's not like villain is ever having and raising the AJ.
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11-04-2013 , 04:25 PM
table image reflection time
would you play 10s-aces AQ or AK any different from the BB
if the answer is no I bet out
Shows strength and will get the free card entitlement takers to do a gut check
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