20 9 handed....The game has been pretty laggy..maybe I should fold pre.

I open 77's UTG, folded to button who raises but I don't think he saw that I raised so not sure how strong he is. He seems pretty laggy and usually play's Omaha, BB calls...He's a slighly laggy reg play's ok post, I call

TdTc3s...Checked to button who bets, BB raises....What's my play?

Fold

I'm not ready to fold yet. I'd call and hope to see the turn.

I agree, it's too early to fold. Is this a spot to call with our whole continue range?

Doesn't LAGgy reg just slam the cap in w/ JJ+? Probably the last two tens, too. And 99 a lot, too. I think folding here is a little tight. But what do I know, people are starting to have it when they raise the flop these days

I also see players raise the flop with AK or AQ.

I'm not sure if BB has a cap range here pre.

Keep in mind, if the button didn't see my raise, his 3 bet could be his normal button raise range. He was stuck raising after saying raise. If the BB noticed this, his range could be wider pre flop and on the flop.

Yeah I think this is closer to a 3 bet than a fold but I'd be interested in other views.

If DougL says it's a fold I think it's a fold. If I'm not mistaken, DougL is a crusher in one of laggiest 30/60 LHE game in Colorado.

In a laggy game you can fold pre but that's up to you UTG to reduce variance or create potential fold equity.

Flop as played is
Fold > Raise > Call for me.

In real time I may 3 bet flop based on hand range I'm assigning to BB and BTN or based on perceived image I've AND/OR meta Ive created between HERO, BTN, BB.

I wouldn't take my word for anything. Don't play a lot anymore.

All the arguments that the villains have capped ranges apply to us. What part of our UTG range opens, sees an accidental button reraise, and doesn't lolcap?

Flop, we're cold calling 2 not closing the action? Here in CO, I'm expecting to put in 4 on the flop if I did. Not sure in OPs game. We're peeling 1 card hoping to fade 12-20 outs?

The spot sucks. Is the plan to call multiple bets on 3 streets and show down? Maybe the bad guys will play faceup once we call flop.

I agree with capping here pre if I thought button was unaware of my range. As played, I think the BB plays honestly after I call the flop, so I don't expect multiple bets going in unless I'm crushed. I also don't expect the Button to get to nutty either after a BB raise and an UTG call.

This spot does suck. I'm calling here thinking that I'm not necessarily behind but I don't want to escalate things in a spot were neither villain is gonna fold just yet. I'll see how things go and hopefully make good decisions based on the action and cards yet to come.

I usually call my whole continue range here. I don't know if BB is aware of this. I'm not sure if this is correct strategy on my part....I'm folding my K high and worse. I'm calling AQ+

I agree with folding in your game if things are gonna escalate as you describe.

If somehow we were going to be all in calling here, it is an easy enough call. You just have to be right. If your read on the BTN accidentally raising is wrong and he doesn't know your call preflop + x/cold call flop is an uncapped range, then he gets to read you as weak and correctly punish you here and/or on the turn.
BTN calls. Turn comes any card higher than a 7. BB bets. What's the good decision?
The CO games used to have a 5 raise cap, and the one thing I saw again and again was someone who'd call 2 and then be lost when it was 4, 5, or 6 bets. This spot feels similar because the guy who 3 bet my UTG open has c-bet and then he gets raised on this dry board. Our hand can't really improve. Maybe their bets mean not much or now that a single raise has gone in I can 100% trust them to only put in more bets/raises with the goods. If your live-read is correct that the BTN has napkins, sure. BB can't have an overpair, so we just show down for 1 bet for street? That we call not closing the action turn and river?

Call flop. Hope BTN calls behind. What's our plan from here?

You make good arguments. It's a tough spot. Perhaps staying out of tough spots like this is the answer. Maybe this is a grey area.

A good decision here is just makng the best choice given the imperfect information. If an Ace hits it's a fold. If a blank hits it's a call. Anything in between does put us in a tough spot. I'd love to here what other "crushers" think

At what point is your hand too good to fold here? 88's? 99's?

Thanks for the discussion

Don't know, actually. Not really one for saying you should be avoiding tough spots, especially since you're an experienced, winning player. I just hate to be between the to players driving the action, where I'm only guessing.

I know you didn't say avoid tough spots necessarily. I do think it's good to avoid ambiguous spots were you might get beat up.

if btn did mean to 3b,

his range is like

AQo+ (24),
AJs+ (16),
KQs (4),
88+ (42)

Given the pot size, I peel. I'd also peel JJ-AA.

thinking more about it,

I have a side question on what should BB k/r this flop with. My gut tells me doing so with 44-88 and 3x is a mistake against 2 narrow ranges but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.

I also assume the general population will k/r those hands.

I would 3-bet the flop and hope button folds