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08-07-2008 , 07:35 PM

scoresman

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 368

Commerce 20

Utg limps, Utg+2 raises 2 LP cold calls, I'm on the button with A

and I?

Utg is awful as are the 2 cold callers.
Utg+2 from what I've seen has been pretty loose, but passive. This may be the first hand he has raised in the hour or two that I have played with him

This may be a pretty trivial hand, but I would appreciate the advice

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08-07-2008 , 08:11 PM

tessarji

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 545

Make a speech about how you really don't have anything but you're going to 3-bet it anyways. Metagame FTW.

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08-07-2008 , 10:26 PM

Bremen

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,799

3 bet. While AQo may prefer fewer opponents you really can't accomplish that. Might as well pump your equity edge. Also if you miss you'll frequently be able to take a free card on the flop.

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08-08-2008 , 12:04 AM

jesse8888

Yes, you barred

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 16,685

A read on UTG+2 is required. If you've played 60 hands with him and never seen him raise, I think this might actually be a fold. That said, against a standard opponent I think I 3-bet.

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08-08-2008 , 12:11 AM

pgcounty

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,183

If UTG+1 is loose and the others are aweful, you have to raise with the best hand and position. Your quality hand and superior position are very good reasons to get as much money as you can in, preflop.

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08-08-2008 , 08:24 AM

pohuist

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,657

Loose/passive players don't make isolation raises and usually riase preflop with very good hands. You are easily dominated or up against a pair. I am definitely folding AJ here and the correct play is to probably fold AQo as well. Even if you have the best hand now, which I actually doubt, you are unlikley to win u/i. Position is less important in multiway pot and is ususally equal to about half of a small bet. (I think the rule is you can play from the button the same hands you would from the SB -- and I am not playing it from SB). If you are going to play -- 3bet, it will likley get the blinds out and buy you a free card.

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08-08-2008 , 10:55 AM

sirlurkalot

journeyman

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 359

You probably have more equity, but less fold equity here than in your regular game. I'd follow the WestCoaster's lead and 3Bet it, thinking you'll likely get a free turn card.
If you've seen villain limp mid pairs or hands like AJ, AT, that would be helpful info, and might add to the argument for a fold.
IMO 3B> F> CC.

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