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Tricky guy raises after 3 folds. Three more folds and it's my option in the BB with Qd8d and I happily defend.

Flop comes Jh9d6h. I check, he bets and I raise. I know he views me as very, very tight so I think I can get all his black card holdings to potentially even fold the flop. He calls.

Turn is the Kh.

What now? My inclination is to give up but I'm not sure. This is definitely the worst card for me after he calls the flop. He doesn't have 2 black cards unless he improves here. At least that's my read on the situation.

i would have called flop. as played i think i b/f and barrel off river.
my first inclination is that we should be checking turn a lot, but i feel like this scenario would allow him to play better against us. i'm not sure tho.

Agreed.

I'd just check planning to give up. That's a better card for his range than ours. We'll get a free card some and play poker on the river. If he barrels black 77 good for him. Have some kr value and bluff in response. We have plenty left to fire the second barrel with better equity and lower showdown value. FWIW I'd like bf better on a 3h turn.

I, too, would check the turn. I'm fine with the flop check/raise too.

I think it's time to give up on this turn card. I'd probably stab if the turn checks through and the river blanks off to rep the Jack since it sounds like he's willing to fold 77 and stuff to that line.

checking the turn seems like a decent mistake. have i lost my mind?

these 2 plans don't add up.

I can easily be convinced that checking the turn is wrong, but I don't think we are obligated to bet simply because we k/r the flop.

i'm speaking more about the flop than the turn.

Villain should never fold flop with any of his range unless you are a complete not. If you are a complete nit and he is adjusting, then might as well 3 barrel, cuz ynot.

In truth, it's doubtful your image is that nitty.

Agree it's ok to xr flop and check back bad turns; if he checks back you may still bluff off Ahi on river. I'm ok with that line. Flat flop is fine too

Prefer just a call on the flop. We have many stronger draws to semi-bluff raise with on this wet flop in our BB defend range. Let's take one off and see if we improve or not on the turn. This keeps our options open on a card like the Kh to just check fold with minimal investment. If we improve on the turn we could consider a check raise.

I would b/f and then give up on most rivers. From his perspective, many/most of your draws just got there and he will fold Jx/9x/worse pairs with no heart a decent amount of the time. I think the flop c/r is good/standard.

I like that there is debate about x/r vs. x/c flop. Normally I'd x/c here so I wasn't sure what to do with this turn. In one sense I'm supposed to have a fair number of flush draws but it also smacks his range pretty hard too.

Preflop
Call is standard for me assuming villain open raised in HJ (Hijack) based on raise prior to 3 folds to you in BB.

Flop
Am I losing my mind or isn't this a spot where we should have some combination of Check/Call or Check/Raise if we are attempting to play optimal or trying to exploit villain.

My default would be to check/call flop vs tricky player (how OP described). Which I assume is jargon for a solid LAGTAG or at least a solid LAG.

Turn
Seems criminal to check turn if we check/raised flop. Don't mean to copy what BK said but he will be correct 99.99% of the time in my opinion and I can't imagine checking turn after c/r flop as being correct mathematically in regards to amount of potential fold equity lost by checking turn
AND
in terms of GTO although I'm pretty bad at understanding that since I rarely study away from the table nor have I had time to play 20/40 half kill game in Midwest region around Hammonds Horseshoe Indiana area (think I've played once in last year if even).

With that said, when I used to play at least once a week, this would have been call preflop, check/call flop for me.

If I did c/r flop based on game flow and opponent, I would rarely check the turn, even with that run out of

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Generally I agree, and I don't think I would personally ever check the turn. I'm putting a lot of (and perhaps too much) stock in OP's read, which is that villain is going to be folding on the flop a ton of the hands that we would normally expect to fold out on the turn (if at all). If there is a time to check out of tempo like this it is when we are against a top-heavy continuing range on a board that has just gotten a lot worse for us.

Again, I could easily be wrong and I'm a bit out of my element here because I don't really ever find myself in this position.

c/r flop is lighting money on fire. like, it's so bad i don't see how it's a debate.

Nope, agreed. I just don't see the merit in checking at all. I feel like that card is good for our perceived range after the flop action.

Yeah, the c/r flop/c turn line seems......awful.

Also agree that this makes little sense. Are you just expecting villain to fold the flop a lot?

So yes, based on how OP presented the question that seems to be the case. I mean, I think we're all in agreement that checking the turn is a bad play in a vacuum.

Fair enough. Missed that tidbit. Seems optimistic, but I guess if he whiffed....

Makes me want to bet the turn even more, since I think villain folds all but the top of his range.