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05-26-2018 , 12:47 PM

ninefingershuffle

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V1 is decent but super wide preflop. He thinks I'm a nit and likes to hero fold unless he is stuck.

V2 plays good unless stuck. He thinks I'm a monkey.

Neither Villain is stuck.

V1 opens in MP, I 3 bet black AJ next in, V2 caps on the button. Three to the flop of

T84 with two clubs.

Checks to button V2 who bets, V1 calls, I call.

Turn is a red ace.

Checks to V2 who bets, v1 c/r, I slam a 3 bet in.

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05-26-2018 , 01:20 PM

OnTheRail15

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I would call.

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05-26-2018 , 01:23 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

I would call.

I’m bluffing!

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05-26-2018 , 01:25 PM

OnTheRail15

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I’m bluffing!

Don’t.

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05-26-2018 , 05:02 PM

SetofJacks

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I also would call.

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05-26-2018 , 11:50 PM

LaramieJC

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How about just leading the turn?

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05-27-2018 , 12:07 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Don't quite get the call. Get the fold. Don't get the call. What the heck am I beating?

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05-27-2018 , 12:14 AM

OnTheRail15

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Don't quite get the call. Get the fold. Don't get the call. What the heck am I beating?

An ace that is worse than AJ?

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05-27-2018 , 02:44 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

An ace that is worse than AJ?

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So not Ak, not aq, not at, not a whatever the medium card is on the board. I’m drawing slim, no? Call is better than ford? With 2 players?

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05-27-2018 , 07:31 AM

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OnTheRail15

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

So not Ak, not aq, not at, not a whatever the medium card is on the board. I’m drawing slim, no? Call is better than ford? With 2 players?

You said he is wide and the pot is big.

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05-27-2018 , 10:28 AM

#11

codygary12

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Just call, this 3! Is atrocious and always bad, dont play this way if you want to be profitable at lhe

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05-27-2018 , 10:57 AM

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DonJuan

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the problem with trying to bluff there probably better draw combos to maybe mix bluff % if you think raising that extra bet would cause which one? to fold. Then you add in the fact that AJ do have decent outs against A4s/A8s chop against AJ and beat all below except for AQ since no way is AK folding. If people are folding strong Ax then I would rather mix bluff combos draw. I guess not much combos draw but I think suited Ax fd is still better

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05-28-2018 , 08:38 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

I would call.

Me too.

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05-29-2018 , 05:29 PM

#14

asmitty

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Why not donk the turn?

As played I think calling turn is the clear play, but having 3bet, I think betting river if V2 calls is suicide.

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05-30-2018 , 01:24 AM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by DonJuan

Thanks for this.

You're the best although OnTheRail15 posts are always a pleasure as well even if concise.

I play bad but I'm cold calling turn as default without exceptional meta/history vs villains and reads.

Donking turn is not an option in my playstyle on this turn which I'm sure is an error on my part.

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06-01-2018 , 11:48 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I’m bluffing!

Don't you have like QJs in your range? I'd much rather use that. We aren't folding MP off a better ace here so trying to bluff him with this hand is pointless.

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06-02-2018 , 01:35 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Don't you have like QJs in your range? I'd much rather use that. We aren't folding MP off a better ace here so trying to bluff him with this hand is pointless.

I guess I’m targeting specifically AQ and sometime AK but I can see him folding those a fair amount thinking he is drawing slim.

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06-03-2018 , 04:46 PM

#18

Clayton

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i would donk the turn

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06-04-2018 , 10:18 PM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by Clayton

i would donk the turn

Serious Q, how do you come up with a turn donk range?

I've rarely had one sans very narrow scenarios in which I was battling Way Ahead / Way Behind but this scenario seems way behind/ barely ahead

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06-05-2018 , 03:24 AM

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bipolarbearclaw

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Originally Posted by maka2184

Serious Q, how do you come up with a turn donk range?

I've rarely had one sans very narrow scenarios in which I was battling Way Ahead / Way Behind but this scenario seems way behind/ barely ahead

In this spot you could probably lead most of your aces and 2 pair+ hands. Seems likely someone had a pocket that could be scared of the ace but probably pay off 2 bets. Not sure you need any bluffs or screwy donks here.

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06-05-2018 , 04:11 AM

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AKQJ10

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I guess I’m targeting specifically AQ and sometime AK but I can see him folding those a fair amount thinking he is drawing slim.

If your table image is like the image I get of you from 2+2, there's no way AK is ever folding with 15 bets in the pot and two more bets to get to showdown. I guess on your very best days MP has KT/K8/K4 of clubs or is just spewing on a doomed semibluff and you fold out button's AK or AQ. That's some parlay.

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06-09-2018 , 10:53 AM

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CrazyLond

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Ranges are supposed to be pretty tight here. MP check raising with a worse ace seems awful. That's a massive overplay with A9. It feels like it's pretty much always a set or 2 pair. At worst, its AK or AQ. It would be an incredibly ambitious bluff and I have better hands in my own range I can call down with: I can have AK, AQ or AT myself, and I can also bluff catch with A9 of clubs. So, I'm pretty tempted to pitch the AJ. I think it's pretty close between call and fold.

I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with a 3 bet.

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06-09-2018 , 10:56 AM

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CrazyLond

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Also, bluff with hands that can improve if the bluff fails. Bluffing with the best hands you'd otherwise fold only makes sense on the river when improvement is impossible.

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