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Originally Posted by maka2184
I just think chk/call is solid ootion to CONSIDER based on meta created in 20 hours vs villain as it relates to your flop chk/call range in BB In HeadsUp pots.
I think that check calling this hand is unprofitable, or -ev. I don't think that check calling this hand strengthens the check call range; I think check calling this hand weakens the check call range. Reducing the profitability of your range is never the goal of exploitive adjustment, but occasionally it's the result of an exploitive adjustment that causes an ev gain for other parts of your strategy.
For example, if we knew this guy would call the flop check raise at a frequency that makes our flop check raise unprofitable with low equity bluffs, we should check fold our low equity bluffs 100% of the time.
Our exploit here is folding; this strengthens the check raise range.
There is the longshot possibility that an opponent may make the double mistake of both calling the flop check raise too often and checking back the turn too often when the flop bet is called. This would allow us to make the double exploitive adjustment with our low equity bluffs; due to the discount on getting to the river, we may call the flop exploitively with weak draws.
Without that specific read? I still think maintaining an ev of zero is much better than making potentially -ev calls on the flop. Since folding is free, this maintains our minimum ev of zero.
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Back to flop bluffing range construction when out of position:
There is a specific hand, although I cannot identify this hand, a hand which is -ev as a call, yet this hand will receive an ev of zero by check raising the flop. This hand is similar to certain preflop raises that are unprofitable when called, yet these hands receive enough profit by winning before the river that these hands are 0ev preflop raises. These preflop low equity bluffs and the specific hand that receives a profit of zero by check raising the flop are characteristically similar in a few ways:
--these hands are unprofitable as calls
--these hands are unprofitable when called
--these hands are not selected from the bottom of the available range of hands that we have to choose from. ie we don't raise 32o preflop in order to polarize our range. Instead we choose to raise hands like 98o and 54s.
--these hands form the bottom of our range which continues to the next action. Those hands with less realizable equity are folded 100% and hands with more realizable equity either check raise or check call.
--the very worst hand in both the preflop raising range and the flop check raise range will have an ev of zero.
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all that mumbo jumbo is my long winded way of saying that I think check raise bluffing something like 6
5
while folding J
T
on the flop K
7
2
is an error in range construction that stems from a misunderstanding of where the ev is coming from.