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02-25-2018 , 07:45 PM

mongidig

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9 handed.

Tag opens in EP, loose and passive CO and button call....Hero calls in SB with As4s, Terrible BB calls.

2s3c2c....It gets checked through.

2s3c2c8c...Hero bets

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02-26-2018 , 01:51 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Sure.

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02-26-2018 , 03:04 PM

asmitty

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I don’t get it.

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02-26-2018 , 04:22 PM

LifeRebooted

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Against my typical line-up I would not try to pull this off. But if your opponents are not particularly sticky I think you have decent fold equity plus some outs.

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02-28-2018 , 02:02 PM

phunkphish

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Dislike. You don't need non-flush draw bluffing combos in a small 5way pot.

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02-28-2018 , 09:56 PM

monikrazy

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Betting seems quite bad, especially given the description of players

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02-28-2018 , 10:06 PM

3rdCheckRaise

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

Dislike. You don't need non-flush draw bluffing combos in a small 5way pot.

Why is this a bluff? Once you get past tight EP you are basicaly betting for value.

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03-01-2018 , 05:56 AM

phunkphish

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You also don't need to be value betting A-rag no flush draw on a 3flush board.

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03-02-2018 , 05:40 PM

prototypepariah

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I think it's an ok play if you can get thru b.b. no one else should have a pair. Fading clubs and rouge river pairs.

Are you firing on a club river ? Or giving up?

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03-03-2018 , 11:57 AM

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mongidig

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This hand was played by a guy who seems to play well. I was surprised to see his hand because I wouldn't have bet the turn.However, I can see some sense in the play.

1) Nobody has shown interest
2) The turn is a fairly blanky card.
3) The bet can serve as a bluff/value bet. It can clean up outs if someone folds a better Ace. It protects his hand if ahead.
4) His bet should be given more credit since he is first to act
5) He has outs to fall back on if called.
6) A bet makes it less likely he will get bluffed off the best hand.

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03-03-2018 , 12:15 PM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by prototypepariah

I think it's an ok play if you can get thru b.b. no one else should have a pair. Fading clubs and rouge river pairs.

Are you firing on a club river ? Or giving up?

I'm giving up.

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03-03-2018 , 07:19 PM

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GiantBuddha

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Originally Posted by mongidig

7) A better hand could fold and a worse hand could call. e.g. BB calls QcJh and EP TAG folds AdTd.
8) At least 6 bonus chop outs if called by better Ax.

I'm not sure it's a good bet, but it's way better/less bad than it looks at first glance.

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03-06-2018 , 06:37 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha

Agreed. If UTG is just going to fold every hand that doesn't have a club draw at it, you actually do have a somewhat merit worthy value bet here (plus you'd have an obvious bluff against him if you somehow get HU on the river).

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03-06-2018 , 06:55 PM

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phunkphish

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Slippery slope.

Why not also value bet A5 no FD -- you get additional value from A4. Then also vbet A6+, to get value from worse aces. Why not also value bet KQ; your hand is weaker and lacks an ace blocker, but you are incentivized to bluff more. Why not also bet weaker hands with a club -- the club gives you more outs. Seems you could make a case for betting your entire range.

I don't consider this a spot where you should have a superwide bluffing range. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Valuebet better aces. Bluff flush draws.

If you don't think this hand is strong enough to call down with, can think about x/r to narrow the # of people you need to bluff.

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