20/40 live poker at the horseshoe, 10 players.

I raise two black tens in the cutoff position, and an aggressive asian guy calls in the big blind.

the flop is A57 with a heart flush draw. he bets into me, and I raise. he re-raises, and I call.

the turn is an 7, he bets and I call.

the river is a 6h. he bets. should I call?

flop raise is really, really, really bad. i am undecided on the merits of calling vs folding the flop and will leave that to other posters.

um i would fold the turn, and certainly fold the river because now you beat absolutely nothing

FYP.

Really, unless you have a great line on this guy, he has an ace. If you don't think he has an ace, then the turn/river become player dependant and not really anything you can get advice on here.

After reading your responses in other threads and reading this I can tell that you really need to get over this idea of raising "to find out where your at." The lines you are suggesting and apparently taking are pretty ridiculous.

That said the only thing sillier that raising to find out where you're at is: raising to find out where you're at, accomplishing your goal of finding out where you're at, and then still calling down.

You raised the flop for information, but if you're not gonna take notice of the information, what's the point? To make such expert information plays, it's vital that you know how to read the information you receive.

i would consider this a mild way of putting it.

just calldown from the flop donk imo

or fold. One of those is correct.

so you guys just calldown from the flop? that seems weak to me.

this has to be a gimmick account. The AA thread just put it over the top for me.

Its kind of weird that he would post a hand from the Horeshoe in Tunica if it was a gimmick. Only person I can think of that plays there is leo doc.

Then stop asking for advice and keep spewing off money.

We are here in a world famous internet forum. We've secretly replaced some of Mitch's words. Let's see if anyone notices.

What i meant was only a few people even know what "the Shoe" is or that there is a 20/40 game. I would like to say that it is a gimmick, but I have lost faith in this forum.

I'm always quick to suspect gimmick/leveling, especially with low post counts. Unfortunately I have a feeling I'm rarely correct.

Let's give her the benefit of the doubt, guys. She might just be a beginner with enough money to play 20/40.

OP -- the reason we say raising the flop is bad is that you'll only get action from better hands and lose more to them, while shutting out all the worse hands that might have paid you had you taken a more passive line.

If you think your opponent is bluffing at the ace, then let him continue to bet weaker hands. The best way to do that is by calling down. You have a showdown-worthy hand. Don't take a line that prevents you from showing down should you face more heat. Also, with the ace out there it IS conceivable that you're behind. If so, why spend so much to find out?

Don't think so much about being blindly aggressive, be more concerned with hand-reading and what you want to accomplish with your aggression vs. those hands he might have. In this spot, being aggressive will only do bad things.

Well, I haven't been there since Labor Day; but, if OP's playing now I'm damn sorry I'm workin' this weekend. Wouldn't do me any good to get over there Monday 'cause there's noooo way OP has any monies left in that game if he/she plays like he/she posts.

Check out a gem in this ss thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-blind-598869/

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Only other 2p2er that I've played with there is James, the ss mod. I'll grant he's given to occasional fits of sick humor, but this would be over the top- even for him.

Another possibility remains (other than these threads being gimmicks). OP might be playing this from the Shoe in Hammond, IN.

After careful re-consideration and having re-read OP's posts and threads, I am unable to completely rule out authorship (is that a word) by James. Here's why:

1) James composes in complete sentences and, as a rule, uses punctuation and paragraphs correctly. He never, however, capitalizes.

2) PJ locked the AA thread, but not this one. Anyone but me smell possible collusion?

3) I know that James was dissapointed that he couldn't go over Labor Day and was wanting to get back. He did not, however, call me about going back this weekend.

4) I can bear witness that James has taken a sick- even perverse- thrill out of getting a "rise" from folks. I watched him do that in the 20 game last March. It was a thing of beauty- if you weren't in the game.

Professor ben:

I wonder if you'd be good enuf to lay us some odds here?

doc

hey stop being a jerk, i value you guys advice, i just wasnt sure as it just didnt seem right because calling down is what is see the fish do. thanks everyone for the tips.

thank you, this makes sense to me now :-)

odds: about 90% gimmick

Might be the show in Indiana right outside of Chicago

I still wanna know what James was up to this past weekend. Mute bastard won't respond in the ss forum where he's a mod for God's sake.

I identify with this. It took me a while and some coaching to not routinely raise or fold in these situations.

And sometimes it is right to raise here. You will encounter players who cannot stop themselves from 3-betting when they have an A or better here. They don't like to give up the initiative when OOP. So you actually get the info you are looking for and save one and a half bets when you fold on the flop.