I hold JcJs on button. Early loose player limps and I raise. SB calls, BB folds and limper calls.

Flop comes Jh9s4d. Checked to me, I bet, SB calls and limper check raises.

1) Do you 3-bet or call and why?

I 3-bet, SB folded and limper called. Turn came 8d (2nd diamond).

2) Limper checks, do you check or bet?

3) I bet and limper check raised. Do you call or 3-bet? I called and river came 3h.

4) Limper bets and you're getting 12/1 direct to call. Do you fold, call or raise?

I asked eight of my poker advisors and I got nearly as many answers.

Can't go wrong with 3 betting flop or waiting for turn. Given that read on limper is loose and passive a raise on turn is good because you're 3 bet while behind infrequently.

You have the nuts on the flop, limper is rarely playing a straight draw like this so I 3 bet the turn.

I never ever fold the river.

There are not that many reasonable lines here, imo.

3bet flop for sure. You have the nuts right now, with no other combo of cards that have higher equity than you at the moment. Would you ever stop putting in bets pre-flop if you had AA? Furthermore, there’s a 3rd player in. You want to either charge SB more for their draw since they’re behind. If you’re worried about losing one small bet from SB because you’re making them call 2 bets instead of 1, remember you’ll be getting that 1 extra small bet from the check-raiser anyways. Plus, no guarantees that SB would’ve even called 1 flop bet.

Turn means our hand is now non-nut, but it’s still a bet 100% of the time. Sure, an OESD got there, but that’s hardly the only combo of hands that could’ve CRed the flop. You still want to charge all other possible villain holdings to draw out on you.

After the turn CR, I’d still likely 3 bet, absent any strong reads that this player would only CR the absolute nuts on the turn. Other possible villain holdings on a turn CR are 2 pairs, lower sets, a really badly played overpair, or maybe some combo draw (JdTd or similar). This is maaaaaaybe the only real decision point, but should still really be a 3 bet. If villain 4!, then just call down. Plus, be optimistic! You could still fill up on the river.

Never folding any river

Sorry if you lost to a turned straight.

Don’t be MUBsy and look for better poker advisors.

3bet the flop bc the caller is likely not folding for 2 more bets and the better may even 4bet you or lead the turn. you have the nuts. raise at every opportunity.

I just call down after the turn cr against most opponents. lol at folding river or not better the turn. I mean like, I cant imagine any of your advisors suggested to check the turn or fold the river. thats insanity.

Nobody suggested checking turn and folding river.

Lines given were

1) Call check raise and wait until turn to raise. Once the straight card appears, just call turn and river unimproved.

2) 3-bet flop, bet turn, call check raise and fold river (one player).

3) 3-bet flop, check turn and call river

4) 3-bet flop, bet turn, call check raise and call river (my line).

5) 3-bet flop, bet turn, call check raise or 3-bet turn and call or raise river.

I'd 3 bet the flop.

I would just call down the turn CR. There are other possible hands the villain could have that we beat but QT makes the most sense here. We hold two J's so there are less combos of two pair with a Jack. 98 makes sense some sense but is this guy limping 98o in ep? If not, he just has the suited 98's in his range. Would he limp 99's or 88's? Is he even capable of CR a draw on the turn?

What I'm getting at is that we can easily talk ourselves into all of the hands the villain could have that we beat, but the reality is he probably has the obvious one. We are going to have the chance to raise board pairing rivers often enough that foregoing a turn 3 bet is not horrible those times we are ahead. If he has the straight he is gonna 4 bet. In the rare spots where he is bluffing we should let him fire again on the river.

Throw in some additional reads and perhaps this is a 3 bet on the turn.

I think number 4 is correct.

I never slowplay vs limpers as a general rule of thumb. 3 bet flop yo.

This is a massive exploitive adjustment, for which an excellent rock solid read is needed, which cannot be conveyed in a singular forum post. IMO.

I'd bet call the turn. Then I'd call the river or bet call if checked to.

TBH OP I don't think you're going to get much out of this convo because

1) It's not all that common to raise a limper with JJ and get donked into 3 way on J94r
2) Even if it was, you have top set and relative board lock against good hands so neither decision is going to be particularly worse than the other. If I really had to give you an answer, raise the donk on J94 because a lot of bad players will cold call 66 or A4 or something against this.

More like "I'm not sure if there's anyone on the planet I'd squarely put on QT in this situation". Folding the river, even if it turned out to be correct, would be up there for worst plays I've ever seen. So would checking turn.

OP played hand fine. We could maybe 3 bet turn but given that we see two J's in our hand, there's not a lot of 2 pair combos to get value from, while QT is 16 combos. And like I said, river folding is insane (though I'm sure this guy had QT, hence this hand is posted).

You might have mis-read Victor's post. He's says that not betting the turn is bad. Folding the river is also bad.

Mashing those together to check turn and fold river is horrible, and not what he suggested.
The bold part of 1 is MUBS.

2 is meh at best. Generally it is bad thinking.

3 is missing a lot of value via soul reading. I could see an argument for inducing a very aggro player in spots, but don't see that read here.

4 I like.

5 might be a little ambitious, but you could construct ranges...

It is hard to have a LHE hand where you can correctly raise for value on a street and correctly consider folding a hand this high up in your range. Once the pot size gets big, the bet size is so small relative to it that. You can argue how many more raises to put in or whether just to call. You can argue that the call is really thin and when to consider folding. Hard to have both in the same hand and have one side not just be terrible.

All this to mostly agree with everyone else.

Ya what dougl said.

But then this

Is one of the worst plays I've ever heard of.

It's calling turn hoping to boat up. Still terrible. In a heads up pot you will have to pry a set out of my dead fingers.

amen.
tales from the heads up limit crypt

call flop
raise as much as possible on turn
Never fold river

call, you don't want to lose SB in case he has a gutshot or something

check. you have to be worried about him having QT and it's good to disguise your hand.

it's not a good spot but you have enough outs to make a full house so you have to call

you have to make the crying call in case he's overplaying a set or bluffing

at least 7 of them play bad then

I was in a similar spot last night.

I raise MP with 99’s. (suit not important) SB and BB are only callers. Flop comes qj5r. x/x/ I bet, sb folds and bb calls. Turn 9. BB checks I bet he raises I 3bet he 4bet. I call and then call river uip. Thoughts?

SB is getting 11:1 so is not making a mistake by peeling the flop with a gutshot.

he was joking