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Old 01-13-2011, 06:28 PM   #1
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Common Turn Situation

Live 20. Fishy limp gun+1, tight lowjack limp (like second vpip in an hour) tight co limp (although he ain't that tight in the CO 3rd to limp). SB calls I raise the T9hh, all call to SB who lol folds. 4 ways.

TT9cc

I bet, all call, and I make a cocerted effort not to giggle and make ready to 3-bet the turn. Surely one of these yoekels as the last Ten.

TT9-T

Gun+1 will call me down with any pair, and bet any pair if I check, I think. Tight players will probably fold even strong draws, fearing drawing dead, and may or may not bet like 55 if checked to.

What would MikeL do?
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:33 PM   #2
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Re: Common Turn Situation

I see a lot more upside in betting then I do in say, c/c the turn and donking the river.
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:37 PM   #3
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Re: Common Turn Situation

Just barrel down and be happy with the ridiculous hands they call you with. Think c/r'ing at any point is too fancy and risks losing value.
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:38 PM   #4
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It's such a super common spot with the nuts that I tend to mix it up for balance.
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:40 PM   #5
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Tight players will probably fold even strong draws, fearing drawing dead
Man, you gotta move to a different game where the people don't play so above the rim.
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:41 PM   #6
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Re: Common Turn Situation

Just bet it. Your other lines are going to look super duper insano strong (c/r turn) or are going to cost you money (get fancy with a c/c turn and get zero big bets in on turn & river).

We'd love to let someone make a smaller boat, but considering how infrequently that happens and how often anything other than a bet costs us money...
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:27 PM   #7
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Re: Common Turn Situation

I'd honestly just consider c/r turn. I was so ready to bet/3/5 that the ten took me by complete surprise.

Re the tight players folding draws....like they would call with AQcc or something, but they can't have that. They most likely have crappy straight draws or just pure silliness. Or like 33 that Zeebo says they can't fold.

So I bet.....just thought it might have been a good screw play chance. Too much live jive maybe.
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:41 PM   #8
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Re: Common Turn Situation

Bet and get called. Seriously king high calls here looking to hit a king. Or a four
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:47 PM   #9
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Jesse, do you regularly check your assumptions about your opponents likely view of your play? I ask because I can almost hear your voice saying "But what the heck do they think I have that raises preflop and bets/bets/bets this board?"

I play with a lot of those same people, and about half I don't think really ever consider that question at all.
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:49 PM   #10
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Re: Common Turn Situation

mike would check the turn.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:14 PM   #11
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I usually just bet. If you hadn't raised preflop it might be a different story, but people call with a high here a bunch and never fold pairs. And it's a complete disaster if the turn gets checked through. You just don't get a chance to get people drawing completely dead that often.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:10 PM   #12
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mike would check the turn.
you're damn right he would
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:11 PM   #13
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Jesse, do you regularly check your assumptions about your opponents likely view of your play? I ask because I can almost hear your voice saying "But what the heck do they think I have that raises preflop and bets/bets/bets this board?"

I play with a lot of those same people, and about half I don't think really ever consider that question at all.
Well yeah, but I have to say that this game I'm in is a bit more logical then most...I'm having a great deal more success hand reading the regulars, and still in awe of the awfulness of their mistakes (like their insistence on turning AQ into a bluff, regardless of the fact that I won't even fold AK).
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:20 PM   #14
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WTF, Jesse, since when flopping boats, turning quads became "common". I can't even remember last time I had quads. Common turn situation is when you get raised after donking MP or TPNK h/u.
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WTF, Jesse, since when flopping boats, turning quads became "common". I can't even remember last time I had quads. Common turn situation is when you get raised after donking MP or TPNK h/u.
It's sarcasm.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:45 PM   #16
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:47 PM   #17
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Re: Common Turn Situation

We've got all the tens sewn up and half the nines. The only way anyone can connect with this board is if they have a straight draw, a flush draw, or one of the last two nines.

Anyone with a pocket pair now has a full house, of course. But they aren't going to be in love with their hand, given that Jesse raised a crowd pf and kept betting.

If we check, sometimes we'll induce, and win a bet. Sometimes someone with an overcard will hit the river, and we'll get a "value" bet from them, maybe even a call to our raise, if they don't know how to bet-fold.

If we bet, and bet the river, someone may call down, and we'll get bets on the turn and river from pairs and maybe ace or even king high.

It comes down to how often what happens on which path.

It seems to me that checking to induce is not twice as likely to earn us one bet as betting and getting called down is to earn us two. Even the chance of catching an *ssh*l* card on the end doesn't feel in my gut to be large enough for checking to be more profitable.

So I think betting is the way to go here.
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