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Old 09-02-2017, 04:01 AM   #26
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

i wouldn't trust my read on anything for 1sb more, let's see a turn dealer.
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Old 09-03-2017, 03:34 PM   #27
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You also don't know exactly but what the other two have. You've got to give them a little something here on this type of flop. I get the idea of seeing what BB does on future streets, but I think the decision is best made assuming she bets 100 percent of turns.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's close, but you should assume it's coming on all streets and weigh the pot like AB suggested. Perhaps slightly less than 100% like jdr suggests. The fact that she's a woman makes me a lot less likely to call down. It depends on the woman of course, but unknown woman definitely folding.
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:48 PM   #28
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

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Bet folding top pair to one more small bet on the flop seems like a huge leak.

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Always calling in this spot seems like a much bigger leak.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:24 PM   #29
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

If she has Kdx in her range (and she really should), this is a clear call down if it bricks out.

(And I have a guess as to who the villain is.)
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:05 PM   #30
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If she has Kdx in her range (and she really should), this is a clear call down if it bricks out.

(And I have a guess as to who the villain is.)
Check raising three people in the worst position with the naked king is good?
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:07 PM   #31
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Check raising three people in the worst position with the naked king is good?
How much equity does Kdx have on this board against an initial raiser/c-bettor and two callers?
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:28 PM   #32
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How much equity does Kdx have on this board against an initial raiser/c-bettor and two callers?
When you assume some diamonds are out and there is a chance of getting 3 bet, not enough for this play.
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Old 09-11-2017, 05:53 PM   #33
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When you assume some diamonds are out and there is a chance of getting 3 bet, not enough for this play.
We're 4 handed. You're going to get 3 calls to the x/raise a lot in this situation. And in any situation where you get 3 calls, the Kd is going to have more than it's fair share of equity.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:32 AM   #34
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

what's in your c/c range on this board?

did you consider c/c flop, lead blank turn?
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Old 09-12-2017, 01:05 PM   #35
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

We're in early position in a full ring game. Our value and bluff-betting ranges should overlap, and thus we're c-betting 100%.
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:46 PM   #36
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Re: Commerce 20 flop spot

On getting to showdown. I think we're overlooking the possibility that Dude A and Dude B has a better ace or sandbagging a flush. I'm fine with folding on the flop or call. If calling just know there aren't any good turns other than an Ace and non-diamond ten. If the board bricks on the turn and lady bets I think that's a clear fold.

If it was HU vs lady it's a clear call.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:39 PM   #37
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3 bet, check behind on the turn if you improve, bet-fold if you don't.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:39 AM   #38
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We're in early position in a full ring game. Our value and bluff-betting ranges should overlap, and thus we're c-betting 100%.
I think checking black QQ, KQ, and the like is best.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:29 PM   #39
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3 bet, check behind on the turn if you improve, bet-fold if you don't.
Possibly putting in 4 bets on the flop drawing dead?
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:41 AM   #40
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Possibly putting in 4 bets on the flop drawing dead?
Not obligated to put in the 4th bet, not drawing dead. Get rid of those players behind you.
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