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10-29-2017 , 03:01 AM
I open Btn was ah6h,
Older guy (60s) who's been tight and behaving so far defends Bb

Kcqs3h,
Bb checks, I cbet, bb raises, I call

Turn 7h, giving me a flush draw
Bb bets,

What's my plan from the turn at 5:1.

A) is there ever merit to a fsdr?
B) is this hand too strong to bluff the turn?
C) is the std line of calling and folding blank rivers the best even tho upto 48 potential combos has us beat (t9, tj, j9)?
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10-29-2017 , 03:05 AM
Chk back flop.


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10-29-2017 , 03:05 AM
Fold flop to tight old guy.

Checking flop also an option: possible we can assume they lead all their Q/K OTT and we can play perfectly.
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10-29-2017 , 03:10 AM
How do you guys play a6o if you guys check back axs with a bdfd
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10-29-2017 , 03:11 AM
I assume a6s is strong enough to call a k/r but I guess kqx smacks older guy a lil harder than someone else

Last edited by tiger415; 10-29-2017 at 03:36 AM.
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10-29-2017 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger415
How do you guys play a6o if you guys check back axs with a bdfd


Bet fold


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10-29-2017 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Bet fold


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Thank you, I had it the other way around as

B/f axo or xb axo,
B/c axs with bdfd

(I assumed ax with bdfd is enough to continue at 7:1)
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10-29-2017 , 07:30 AM
I agree with OTR15.
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10-30-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Chk back flop.


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does this mean you'd be checking back JT too?
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10-30-2017 , 03:23 PM
I'd *think* JT would be good enough to bluff because you have value, and a check-raise doesn't kill you, where the A6s bdfd would leave you with unrealized equity, and are more harmed by a check-raise. So, I'll wait to see OTR says, but I bet. The KQ board is very high in your range. It'd be different if you had 76, and it was a 98X board.
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10-30-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Chk back flop.


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Not against straightforward old guy. Cbet 100%
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10-30-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulValente
Not against straightforward old guy. Cbet 100%


Disagree. I’d cbet here all the hands I chk back to fold turn vs tough opponents but even against straightforward old guys this hand plays better as a chk back.


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10-30-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
I'd *think* JT would be good enough to bluff because you have value, and a check-raise doesn't kill you, where the A6s bdfd would leave you with unrealized equity, and are more harmed by a check-raise. So, I'll wait to see OTR says, but I bet. The KQ board is very high in your range. It'd be different if you had 76, and it was a 98X board.


Basically this. JT enough equity to continue comfortably vs a flop xr (and possibly bluff later streets) A6hh fairs much more poorly. It is a bit too strong, however, to just bf and the flop (unlike say A6o)


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10-31-2017 , 02:56 AM
A better example of a weak hands to check back would be J9, not JT. After flop action I think the right play is call down.
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10-31-2017 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
I’d cbet here all the hands I chk back to fold turn vs tough opponents...
Couple of such hands as examples?
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10-31-2017 , 09:46 PM
J7s


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10-31-2017 , 10:22 PM
Cepheus would never check a suited ace on the flop here in the analogous HU situation. Since we have a stronger range advantage here, we should likely be checking even fewer hands (and this happens to be how the better 3 handed bots play). So from a GTO standpoint, I’m not sure this hand should ever be a flop check. I'm sure you could construct some sort of exploitative argument for it versus particular players, but without great reads I would lean towards betting the flop.

When he bets the turn, you have to be careful since you won't have all that many value hands. You should have some Kx in your range as well as stuff like 77, Q7s, some AA, etc. This will depend a lot on how you play the flop. I would lean towards calling with Ah6h since it has so much showdown value, but throwing in a small percentage of raises is probably fine. Hands like 5h4h, 6h5h, 6h4h, JxTx may be good flop check candidates that will likely want to raise a high % of the time on this turn.

Last edited by Frankie Fuzz; 10-31-2017 at 10:34 PM.
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11-01-2017 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
J7s
No backdoor flush draw J7s?

However, that hand makes a pair of 7s on turn.
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11-01-2017 , 11:58 AM
With the bdfd


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11-02-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
After flop action I think the right play is call down.
Do you mean call down after OP gets check/raised on flop, or checks back? If the former calling down on a brick river seems loose against a old, tight, and "behaving" player, though the pot is bigger than after the flop gets checked through.
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11-02-2017 , 05:00 PM
I meant after getting CRed. We have a hand that sees the river on this board and we beat a likely bluff. Old men are polarized.
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