Check or bet dangerous turn with over pair
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 187
You hold AcAd in BB in mid limit game. 3off calls (he's loose but not too aggressive). SB calls and you raise. SB is loose and has been running good but also not terribly aggressive either.
Both players call and flop comes KsJh5s. You bet and they both call.
Turn comes Ts. Do you check or bet after SB checks?
If you had As would that change your decision?
If either one or both players were more aggressive how would that affect your turn bet decision?
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 2,878
I would still bet. If they raise you I think you can let it go. You have a huge range advantage on this board and so they may not even raise you with a small flush, and you can still get value from ****ty kings and deny equity to small spades if they are capable of folding those.
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,677
Standard bet. Tons of value from single spades, strait draws, combo draws, K, J, A etc. You have many outs against two pair.
If the SB CR's you are probably toast since he could have a ton of flushes in his range plus throw in straights and two pair. If the 3 off raises I would have to think more about it. He shouldn't have nearly as many flush draws and maybe he would raise a draw in position on the flop. People like to FSDR with picked up combo draws as well.
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Bet. Keep it
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 260
Easy bet. In my view, one of the main differences I see between a winning 20/40 player and a winning 80/160 player is the elimination of this type of passive mentality. This is an easy value bet on the turn... yes, the Ts is a bad card and some % of the time you now beat, but you can't be afraid of that. There are hands you can now check and call with but this hand is too high up in your range to just check... you have to bet!
Challenge yourself to make these type of 'thin' value bets (for the record, I don't think this is thin). Keep challenging yourself until you find that people are calling you with better hands. You'll find that you get value in spots you never thought possible and you can laugh at yourself when you value bet too thin, taking yourself to Valuetown!
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,452
i honestly just bet the turn in the dark so i dont have second thoughts on scary cards. probably calling down a raise too.
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 8,231
People like to limp call wide ranges. People like to peel flops. The way to exploit this isn't to check a lot on the turn.
You should bet. Depending on opponent, you can call or fold to the raise. Usually I'd call turn fold river w/ this hand since even versus a hand as strong as KJ, we have 2 A, 4 Q, 3 T and 3 5's to try and improve with.
OP also note that you're the one who has way more strong hands on this texture. You can have a bunch of AsXs combos, AQ, KK, JJ, TT, and these all protect you from being raised thin or bluffed. You should exploit this by making more bluffs and more thin value bets.