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Caught in the middle. Caught in the middle.

12-03-2017 , 11:01 AM
20/40 live 9 handed.

UTG...plays every hand but plays ok post.

UTG+1.....I'd say TAGlite. He open limps and coldcalls pre too much. He seems pretty straightforward post.

HJ....Bad reg, too loose, likes to raise flop and check turn. He will do this with Ace high, good draws, any pair other than top pair.

All three limp, I raise In BB with AhQs...all call.

JhTh3c....I check? UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, HJ raises.......my dillema is that I know HJ doesn't necessarily have a strong hand and may check the turn,but UTG+1 probably does have a decent made hand. My fear is that I call and UTG+1 3 bets which he will with top pair plus. I'm discounting flush draws a good bit since the Jh, Kh, and Ah are out.

I'm conservatively giving myself 6 outs since I think there could be some pair RIO for me and the threat of UTG+1 reraising. I'm not sure about my implied odds if I hit the straight. I think both players shutdown unless the turn improves them.

I did the math but forgot exact numbers. I remember coming in slightly less than what odds I was getting.

Do you guy's bet or check the flop?
Do you call the flop?

I just did the numbers again. I have about 26% equity and I'm getting 5.5 to 1 immediate odds. I am not good at interpreting the numbers.

Last edited by mongidig; 12-03-2017 at 11:29 AM.
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12-03-2017 , 09:00 PM
Two dirty overs, gutshot to the nuts and bdfd against this assortment of misfits? I'm not folding this flop. I think I like it as played. You have something close to zero fold equity on the flop so I don't mind trying to see a cheap turn. Unfortunately that didn't happen but you have to grit your teeth and call at least once IMO.
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12-03-2017 , 11:41 PM
sb folded getting 9:1 on a half bet? lol.
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12-04-2017 , 03:38 AM
Definitely betting flop. As played call two bets on the flop. We have to much equity to be check folding on this texture, especially since we hold the A.
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12-04-2017 , 07:41 AM
getting 5.5:1 with a bunch of tainted outs and the opportunity to get whipsawed makes this an easy fold.
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12-04-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
sb folded getting 9:1 on a half bet? lol.
Do you think he should complete with hands like 72o, 83o etc? I get that he technically has the odds but these hands have no playability, are OOP and are much less likely to realize what little equity they have.
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12-04-2017 , 11:55 AM
I would check the flop too. I don't think betting accomplishes much. This flop hits their limping range pretty hard so their not likely to fold, in which case you're just pumping the pot out of position with an ok-ish draw, and you risk being raised in which case you'll just be putting more bets in behind.

The disadvantage to checking is it kind of turns your hand face up after raising in the BB preflop



I like checking and seeing what happens
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12-04-2017 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Do you think he should complete with hands like 72o, 83o etc? I get that he technically has the odds but these hands have no playability, are OOP and are much less likely to realize what little equity they have.
yes he should complete with every single hand. 9:1 is enough to play anything and the half bet drives up implied odds further.
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12-04-2017 , 04:36 PM
As played Easy call. Not sure how someone estimated 6 outs. 4gutshots outs and 1.5 "outs" for bdfd. Our Q/A outs add up to more than 0.5 outs. Would be trickier if we had 99.
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12-04-2017 , 05:45 PM
gutshot outs arent clean
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12-04-2017 , 06:04 PM
Very clean. When they aren't, our Q/A outs are improved.
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12-04-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
gutshot outs arent clean
What are you talking about? 3 of 4 are the nuts and the dirty one gives us a redraw.
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12-05-2017 , 02:49 PM
well if you are counting 1.5 outs for the bd draw, then counting 4 outs for the gutshot is doublecounting.
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12-07-2017 , 02:46 AM
We have much more than 6 outs.
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12-07-2017 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by phunkphish
We have much more than 6 outs.
How much more?

Shouldn't we be discounting an out given we are OOP and could get trapped for more bets? Do we maybe call it 1 out for the BDF instead of 1.5 since two hearts are on the board instead of in our hand?
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