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01-08-2018 , 12:20 AM

#51

PaulValente

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Ok, buts it’s going to cost $201

Lol, I'll pay $202 for you to stay.

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01-08-2018 , 01:05 AM

#52

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Zomg stock has never been higher. Trump making America more better yet again

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01-08-2018 , 01:16 AM

#53

MacauBound

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If that's considered "chasing away good posters" . . .

If the guy can make to online crusher, I sure he can handle a half-needle.

K2o is bottom of GTO opening range apparently. So I'd fold pre against described villain. Otherwise, I'd predict OP's worst loss ever on the horizon.

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01-08-2018 , 03:52 AM

#54

phunkphish

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The chart is hella valuable. Mocking it deters the poster from sharing similarly valuable data in the future. Price point is more than reasonable. For reference, tpiranha was charging way more for his PF charts.

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01-08-2018 , 04:37 AM

#55

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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No one mocked the chart

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01-08-2018 , 05:59 PM

#56

Smarty 2.0

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Stupid question - what is that chart?

Does blue signify what hands to raise in SB vs. BB?

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01-09-2018 , 11:19 AM

#57

rodeo

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Nit

I’m not saying I fold K2o pre flop

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01-09-2018 , 12:34 PM

#58

UpHillBothWays

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Originally Posted by MacauBound

K2o is bottom of GTO opening range apparently. So I'd fold pre against described villain.

exactly what i said earlier said better with gto data provided by zomg's deemed cutest poster in the thread.

/thread here imo.

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01-14-2018 , 06:17 PM

#59

Smarty 2.0

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Is the chart SB raising range or BB defending range?

Thanks.

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01-15-2018 , 02:32 AM

#60

MacauBound

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

Is the chart SB raising range or BB defending range?

Thanks.

It's the former - a 69% SB opening range. 1.0 refers to raising all combos of a particular hand, so 65o is the only hand that plays a mixed strategy (raise or fold). Didn't answer the first time cuz I thought you were mocking the chart.

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01-15-2018 , 03:28 AM

#61

PaulValente

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Don't mock the chart bro.

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01-15-2018 , 04:32 PM

#62

maka2184

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Originally Posted by DonJuan

Thanks for this.

May need to print this and post it on a wall if I played online still.

Goes to show how much of a leak box I am considering I raised 65o 100% from SB v BB situation 3 handed probably even vs other LAGTAG on absolute/ub and on Bovada

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01-15-2018 , 05:04 PM

#63

PaulValente

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Originally Posted by maka2184

Goes to show how much of a leak box I am considering I raised 65o 100% from SB v BB

Lol, fish.

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01-15-2018 , 05:40 PM

#64

maka2184

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Originally Posted by PaulValente

Lol, fish.

Lol truly appreciate this needle joke.

I was so bad 3 handed in comparison to HUHU and 4 - 9 handed and still to this day subpar at best 3 handed.

My Hud/Poker Tracker stats were so abysmal 3 handed I definitely was a fish and still am lol

With that said, thanks to DeathDonkey coaching eons ago, I did improve a little but not enough since I rarely studied the game using solver othet than Stove which is borderline a joke with what's out there now.

Tldr: I am still 100% TAG fish burning money every hand losing skansky bucks and EV every hand I play or don't play

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01-15-2018 , 06:41 PM

#65

LifeRebooted

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Originally Posted by maka2184

Tldr: I am still 100% TAG fish burning money every hand losing skansky bucks and EV every hand I play or don't play

Confirmed first hand.

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01-15-2018 , 11:42 PM

#66

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Have you even considered how big a fish you were for ever playing 75o?

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01-16-2018 , 09:53 AM

#67

maka2184

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Have you even considered how big a fish you were for ever playing 75o?

Rofl I'll be honest ZOMG no I didn't.

As previously indicated, I was a fish in past and still seriously consider myself a fish. Only reason why I survive when I play is I play like a Nit TAG now and game select live by leaving after like hour 6, if Im not playing at least B game, if game is subpar, or if Im mentally drained.

With that said, even lurking 2+2 occasionally reading posts from you, Ontherail, BicycleKick, DeathDonkey, Unguarded, DonJuan, Schneids, etc does help me become a little better so I do truly apppreciate that Zomg!

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01-16-2018 , 11:58 AM

#68

jdr0317

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FWIW, game selecting live is much more critical of a skill to making $ these days than deciding whether or not to raise 65o BvB 3 handed.

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01-16-2018 , 02:20 PM

#69

PaulValente

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Always has been

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01-16-2018 , 06:44 PM

#70

maka2184

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

FWIW, game selecting live is much more critical of a skill to making $ these days than deciding whether or not to raise 65o BvB 3 handed.

Thank you.

However, online or live, raising 65o and definitely 75o as noted by both DonJuan per chart and ZOmg in 2-3 posts prior, is -EV / losing play.

Online especially, making an incorrect preflop raise with bucket of -EV hands I'm sure is disastrous to BB/100 as SB 3 handed.

With that said, game selection is critical live or online so thank you for that.

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01-17-2018 , 01:47 AM

#71

Mason Malmuth

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Originally Posted by PaulValente

I believe there is a good article or two in the 2+2 magazine by Phil Newall on BvB play, if you can find it in the archives.

And what Phil Newall says is that the small blind should raise first in about two-thirds of the time, and the big blind should defend, assuming the small blind is raising at the right frequency, about 90 percent of the time. However, defending doesn't mean always calling in a BvB situation, and Newall has you reraising a fair amount of the time.

Also, according to Newall, you can play more than two-thirds of the hands if you include some limping from the small blind. However, to do this correctly, requires some complex balancing which he states is not easy to do.

Best wishes,
Mason

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01-17-2018 , 10:44 PM

#72

maka2184

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Mason, thank you kindly for this yet to finish Newall book or articles as I have been budy with work but will make best effort to read it.

The SB complete strategy I attempted online and it was not easy for me to balance it out and be what villain and what game flow / meta vs opponent.

With that said, this thread by MitchL from eons ago helped me out a lot in terms of attempting to understand it

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...78/?highlight=

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01-18-2018 , 08:55 PM

#73

maka2184

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My apologies for massive typos in previous message but after reading that MitchL thread from the past and comments from guys like Oink, DeathDonkey, CDC, Pnewall, has games advanced that SB complete should not be utilized?

Mason already commented on this but was wondering views of others.

I personally think it should vs exoert LAGTAG but rarely play 3 handed or SBvsBB now that I stopped playing online.

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01-18-2018 , 09:31 PM

#74

DonJuan

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01-19-2018 , 12:12 AM

#75

maka2184

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Originally Posted by DonJuan

Thanks DonJuan!

Considering I stopped doing the open limp experiment after like a month or two of trying it in like Dec 2008 to Jan 2009 then not doing too well, makes me feel a little better.

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