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My guess is that a GTO bot would bet/call, check/call, and check/raise this hand with some frequencies on the flop. I'd imagine all 3 options run very close in EV against a GTO opponent.

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12-31-2017 , 03:34 PM

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PaulValente

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I lol'd at folding any J in BB v SB open.

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12-31-2017 , 07:42 PM

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Actually, very rough sim I ran has it split between x/c, b/c, and b/3b.

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12-31-2017 , 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulValente

Actually, very rough sim I ran has it split between x/c, b/c, and b/3b.

What kind of simulation gives advice like this?

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01-01-2018 , 12:06 PM

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I plugged it into a GTO solver. I'm not sure about what assumptions it's making about turn and river play, but I believe it's just going off immediate equities.

Idk what about that result is surprising or unreasonable though.

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01-01-2018 , 02:27 PM

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I like how the poker world (and by extension 2+2) is basically its own biological form of a GTO solver. It just takes longer, and has more limited computing power.

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01-01-2018 , 04:15 PM

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I wasn't trying to imply that was unreasonable, I have never heard of anything called a GTO solver nor seen any results like that given here before. The only simulation results I have ever seen here are equities. Where would I find a GTO solver?

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01-01-2018 , 04:45 PM

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I like cardrunnersEV, which has an equilibrium tool and a max exploit tool, but it is a little time consuming to use. It now comes with GTO+, which is cool and a lot faster to use but doesn't really have an option for limit, you have to fiddle with bet sizes and stuff to mimic limit.
I haven't tried piosolver myself but it seems cool. I think it's expensive and uses a lot of computing power though. There are others too I can't think of now.

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01-02-2018 , 02:25 PM

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Actually, very rough sim I ran has it split between x/c, b/c, and b/3b.

This doesn't make sense. For the first action, it can only be split between check and bet. If you bet and are raised, it can then be split between f/c/3b.

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01-02-2018 , 02:53 PM

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This doesn't make sense. For the first action, it can only be split between check and bet. If you bet and are raised, it can then be split between f/c/3b.

Right. So it bets and checks about 50/50. When it bets and gets raised it usually calls, but sometimes 3b bluffs, and never folds. When it checks, it always calls. So it sometimes x/c, sometimes b/c, and sometimes b/3b.

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01-06-2018 , 02:45 PM

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fold pre.

flop check is good.

i'd x/c turn.

lol at bb folding Jx pre flop.

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01-06-2018 , 04:58 PM

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I just don’t understand folding king high Pre.

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01-06-2018 , 05:25 PM

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Yeah I'm not a fan of folding a K either. It's a king, the next best thing to having an ace!

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01-06-2018 , 09:11 PM

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it's about playability and blockers and being OOP and ****.

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01-07-2018 , 12:57 AM

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Nit

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01-07-2018 , 02:41 AM

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fold pre.

flop check is good.

i'd x/c turn.

lol at bb folding Jx pre flop.

I pretty much play ATC preflop w/out a strong reason to do otherwise (like if the guy who is only raising 20% from the SB comes out swinging, the junkiest of junk becomes a fold candidate).

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01-07-2018 , 02:43 AM

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I pretty much play ATC preflop w/out a strong reason to do otherwise (like if the guy who is only raising 20% from the SB comes out swinging, the junkiest of junk becomes a fold candidate).

Right. From the BB vs. a SB open, I literally never fold

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01-07-2018 , 06:34 AM

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01-07-2018 , 06:42 AM

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If other want to know gto btn open. sb 3b/cc range. bb cap etc 3way I can offer what GTO looks like for 200 buck. It going to cost you probably 1.5k to buy software and run it on server plus days of simming.

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01-07-2018 , 07:23 AM

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You’re too cute for words

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01-07-2018 , 01:25 PM

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Thanks DonJuan. Looks almost identical to Hyperborean2014's opening range, which is still what I'm going off of.

@zomg. Seriously, don't chase away good posters plz.

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01-07-2018 , 03:15 PM

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I believe there is a good article or two in the 2+2 magazine by Phil Newall on BvB play, if you can find it in the archives.

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01-07-2018 , 03:54 PM

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curious whats the light blue with 65o at .5;

is that a mixed strategy of calling and raising?

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01-07-2018 , 08:02 PM

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is that a mixed strategy of calling and raising?

I'd guess raising and folding.

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01-08-2018 , 12:09 AM

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@zomg. Seriously, don't chase away good posters plz.

Ok, buts it’s going to cost $201

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