So your results include the extra drop you pay but not the winnings?

Jackpots are just tallied in a separate field because they can vary greatly especially in rooms that have large bad beat jackpot structure.

But you’re paying $1 a hand out of your ‘winnings’ to pay for that. Those down swings you tried to fudge consist of a hell of a lot of bad beat tokes

I get it, but it's just weird to have my win rate go from $20 bucks per hour to $25 because I won a bbjp. (Fictional numbers)

I know it would likely even out over the long term, but big wins can distort months or years. Plus it can create some extra motivation to play better and beat the increased drop.

Maybe count jackpots separately, but imo you should count regular promotions as part of your winrate, since those are just a rebate on money you've been dropping down the hole all along and won't impact your win rate much.

I get what you’re saying and no, you don’t want to count a 25k bbj in to your 4/8 winnings. But this....

....is a confession. You should be adding in the occasional high hand to balance out the extra rake you were paying. At low levels an extra dollar a hand is a killer for win rate. You feel guilty because when you were running bad you ‘fudged’ the numbers to look like what they shoul be. Proof that all limit players are masochists

Sometimes when I’m feeling bad about how bad my basketball game is going I cheat and stop using my left hand. Field goal percentage quadruples so I don’t like to do it too often though

LOL.

You know that drill sounds appealing. I often try to hit a bucket at the driving range with just one hand. Haha.

BTW. We pay $3 per hand in BBJP rake here in Seattle.

$3 a hand? WTF!? That sounds extra unbeatable.

There's even a quantitative method for determining which ones to include: calculate your "win" rate and standard deviation for jackpots and include the ones that have reached significance.

And here I thought 1 per hand was very stupid...and 2 per hand was straight obnoxious.

3...woof!

It's a $6 drop total, $3 is BBJ. (Sup Brick!)

So a dollar cheaper than here at 5+2. Beatable.

Is bay area 8?

I think Bay is 6+0 and Oaks is 6+1.

Damn, Oaks used to be fairly cheap.

3+3 actually sounds amazing

3+3 sounds better than 5+1 like I'm used to.

Definitely. It allows for some pretty amazing high hand promotions ($1000/hr going out in high hands during peak hours).

15/30- is now 5+1, 30/60 always had an extra dollar raked.

You are right that it was quite cheap in the past and you know I always thought it a strategic mistake that you didn't stay in the area on your tour. Oaks was severely underpriced at 4-BBJ (the BBJ was house funded and worth about 0.25 by my calculations so rake was like 3.75 really) and it was a real honeypot while it lasted, especially for people looking to make the SS/MS transition.

Plus there was a pretty active 2+2 crew at the time so we could have all livetarded it up and had lunch / dinner / circle jerks.

I still like the Oaks, just haven't been in the area much recently. The last time I was through town I was about a year and a half ago; I was only there for a few days and was with a woman and doing some touristy stuff so didn't have much time to play, but I did go and play a few hours of 15/30 one evening and was on a crazy heater so made almost $2k. Maybe I was raking it in so much that I didn't notice the increase in drop. There is a chance I will be in the area again in a few weeks, will let you know if I'm in town.

I guess I'm not that typical in most things, but I'm actually less serious in some areas, in that I don't really play that many hours lately, and I don't push myself to play limits that make me uncomfortable with the swings. After more than 10 years of playing serious poker, unfortunately losing over $1000 in a session still really disturbs me mentally.

Again though, I have never even been tempted to not count any particular bad session, and am surprised many would do so. I guess if they do, by my definition they aren't really "serious", but I guess they could still possibly be making enough to pay the bills.

Going back to the original question, my input is that it is definitely possible to have a 300BB downswing even for the best of players. Several years ago I had a $6000 downswing while playing mostly 10/20 LHE, which was even a low-raked game at $5 time charge per half hour. That was when I was playing at least 30 hours per week. And while I'm sure I wasn't always playing my very best after a month or two of running bad, I am still sure I was one of the biggest winners (EV) in the pool, and was almost always the best player at any individual table where I was playing.

Hips before chips