Temporarily 3 handed 40/80. The wealthy fish has taken a short break so it's me and 2 good props who I have a ton of hours with.

Villain1 raises the button. He is super solid and plays pretty well. Villain2 3-bets the SB. She has been getting murdered the last 2 days and has been playing abnormally. I defend my BB with 8s6s and the button calls as well.

Flop comes Qd7s3h. SB bets and I call as does the button. The turn comes the 9s. SB bets again and I raise.

I haven't tried anything like this so far today because we have been staying out of each other's way just chopping up the rich guy. My thinking is the SB doesn't have to be made here as I have seen her barrel off with almost her entire range in spots like this before and has been pressing even more with her recent bad run. I felt like I could get more credit than normal here though I am repping a largely non-sensical range I am known by the villains to be fond of delaying until the turn.

Is this just a spot where I constructed a scenario in my head to justify spew?

I like the turn raise here. You will get folds from the button and if the steamy SB is just barreling, she'll either fold the turn or river. If not, you have a lot of outs. Plus, if you get called down and don't get there you get to say "Got there on the river..." and turn over your 8 high. Another interesting thought is to just call the turn and raise the river as it may appear you are awfully strong with the button behind you.

That said, I usually fold this hand in the BB for two more bets against good players unless there are specific reasons. Steamy SB might be one... or Johnnie Walker might be another.

J Lot

If you do this kind of thing too often, then it’s spewy. However, if you only do it when you have the following criteria met,

1. the eight and the six of spades are in your hand,
2. there is a seven of spades on the flop,
3. there is a nine of spades on the turn,

then it’s not spewy.

i don't think it has to be just spades. if you should have no more than 10% bluffs (maybe less because of btn), i think all of your 86's are good bluffs being that most of your fd's have sd value or have pair outs that wouldn't be polarized. so maybe all of your 86's + t8ss and maybe jtss imo.
86s is borderline for me pre tho (usually just fold pre), so unless i'm too tight, this seems mandatory to bluff.

3 way spots are tricky for me tho, since simply using the bottom of your range, you don't clean up pair outs vs hands that btn continues with.

lovely post. completely agree w/turn raise. you can raise other turn cards too! i actually like raising fives more than nines here but i'd probably pop most or all of those.

some of the time i'll 4bet this preflop (unless i'm not capping anything).

Cap pre like 50%

Troll?

Why are we capping garbage OOP pre?

being deceptive makes you hard to play against. i was also surprised to hear tho tbh, and feel i might be playing too tight in bb.
question for anyone itt: is 30% on the suited heavy side a decent bb continuing range? such as k9o, k7s, j9o, j8s, t8s-65s?

there free range online of what cepherus does head up. People often see suited connector as 3bettor but miss out on the minor details that it 3b stuff like K5o/T7o too it still part of it overall strategy. Now we can conclude that in 3way there must be capping range for BB that looks shocking but are actually +ev. Also I haven't look carefully but I am sure nl bet structure is bigger where people are 3betting suited connector mix strategy just because we hear the word CAP it actually not that big of a bet size and once something is CAP I think no one else can raise again

this game is a 5bet cap

the 5 bet cap actually doesn't really matter. once you reach 4 bet cap the numbers of combos available doesn't make up for it to have much of a 5 bet cap range. Ex. it always capping AA and then from there everything is like very tiny %.

nope not troll

feel free to equilab/pokerstove it vs the other two players' ranges. also, sometimes the button folds and then we are not oop anymore and we've also created more dead money hooray

also it's not really garbage. suited connected = way better playability than say k2o or q3o here (actual garbage)

balance/deception is useful (if your pf reraises mean big hands and your calls mean medium hands then you can become easy to play against. similar principles apply postflop obviously) vs decent players and especially shorthanded

calling is same Ev -1500. 1000 is a sb btw.

Ya 86s is probably fine to cap sometimes (I wouldn't go 50% like DJ recommends because I expect 3 bet ranges to be tighter).

Flop is clearly debatable. Turn looks good IMO. This card hits a lot of barrel hands so we have bluffs to blow them off as well.

No props in Vegas. I guess I could be remembering wrong, but I thought the cap was 4 bets at the Bicycle.

Anyway, I would fold this preflop, but I wouldn't be playing this big and I wouldn't be playing 3 handed against two solid props so whatever I guess, I don't think playing it is terrible. What seems bad to me is the call on the flop.

This hand was played at the bike. 4 bet cap. And I remembered my hand wrong. It was 8s5s so I had a gutshot, not open ended. The only reason I thought it might be bad is that the sb is almost certainly seeing the river in her current state so its gonna take two bets or hitting to win.

How about calling the turn and raising most rivers? It looks less like a bluff/stronger and will be the same play when you hit a backdoor draw and call turn or perhaps have 33 and are calling turn to let button overcall.

Also, I agree 100% on occasionally capping pre. Highly underrated play IMO.

Thanks for this.

Delay raising till the river as a bluff is an option I definitely need to expand on and this hand seems appropriate to do it with as played by HERO in OP.

However, based on explanation of villain, I may just raise turn since I play bad and does not have the creativity or knowledge many has gained via Solver to have even consider capping prelfop.

Thanks for the screen print DonJuan and your feedback!

85s is a lot worse than 86s btw. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if Monker wants to fold 85.