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08-08-2018 , 08:48 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Wild 20-40 game, lots of straddles lots of pots getting 3 bet/capped and going off 6/7 ways (10 handed).

Spot limps UTG, I raise Red AK next in, villain 3 bets in middle position, B.B. calls, spot calls, I cap and we go off 4 ways.

Villain is a good post flop player but is in a preflop gamble mood, cold capping 56s and so forth.

Flop is QT5cc

Checked to villain who bets, B.B. folds, spot calls, I call.

Turn is Kc, spot checks and I?

Note: Spot likely would have donkes top pair or a flush draw so he doesn’t have much. But he won’t fold with any reasonable piece.

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08-08-2018 , 12:50 PM

LaramieJC

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Is flop monotone or just two clubs?

When you don't cbet, your hand is pretty face up as AK, so I'd donk/call and reevaluate the river with bias toward check/fold if we were raised on the turn. Villain could be going for a free showdown raise with a hand like Ac and a broadway other than a J. I'd hate to give JcJx or the Ac with middle pair a free card here.

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08-08-2018 , 02:25 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by LaramieJC

Just two clubs, third club on turn.

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08-08-2018 , 03:16 PM

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i would've bet flop. as played i guess check and call?

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08-08-2018 , 06:40 PM

jdr0317

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I'd never lead anything on this turn card, even in game as described. Check and call for one and fold for two.

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08-08-2018 , 06:41 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I'd never lead anything on this turn card, even in game as described. Check and call for one and fold for two.

And risk it getting checked through?

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08-08-2018 , 06:42 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

And risk it getting checked through?

Is that really even that big of a deal here?

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08-08-2018 , 06:56 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Is that really even that big of a deal here?

I think so. Villain is pretty wide on the flop and my hand certainly looks like AK, AJ, 99 so he may very well check something that doesn’t beat a king.

He three bet me preflop a prior hand and I just called with AA and check/raised a king high flop, he three bet me and checked back the turn with a pair of kings.

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08-08-2018 , 07:13 PM

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for the most part, i feel like since our hand's face up we aren't gonna be able to get in 2 big streets of value very often no matter what line we take, but we can still c/r some rivers.

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08-09-2018 , 08:29 AM

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Munga30

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I think so. Villain is pretty wide on the flop and my hand certainly looks like AK, AJ, 99 so he may very well check something that doesn’t beat a king.

If you feel comfortable folding to a raise when you donk the turn, go ahead.

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08-09-2018 , 02:00 PM

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asmitty

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I'd never lead anything on this turn card, even in game as described. Check and call for one and fold for two.

Yep. You should donk a K (and maybe an offsuit J) on the river but probably c/c everything else.

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08-14-2018 , 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

And risk it getting checked through?

There are two risks here.

One is that the turn checks through and you lose a bet you could have made.

The other is that you bet out and get raised and end up either paying off a better hand or making an attempted exploitative fold that could turn out to be wrong.

So you have to consider both risks in deciding what to do.

EDIT: there's actually a third risk too. Your opponent may make an exploitative fold against you when he or she might have been willing to continue betting if checked to.

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