10 handed. Live 20-40 LHE game.

It’s a must-move table that very few people have moved from in quite a long while, and the play seems… well, uncharacteristically passive. I’m in MP this hand, and the players behind me will often open limp or overcall preflop. CO is an “older” woman who has built up quite a large chipstack, and I haven’t quite figured her out. She will play a WIDE range of hands and will raise with an almost (seemingly) random set of those hands preflop – but the overwhelming majority of the time she seems to just call. Button is aggressive and seems to like playing a lot of pots with CO. I had been playing pretty tight thus far, and have seen many pots limp around five-handed and six-handed to the flop.

So, it folds to me in MP, and I have A3. Due to the table conditions described above, I decide to limp.

HJ calls, CO calls, Button raises, BB calls, I call, HJ calls, CO calls.

Flop is T 4 3

BB checks. I check. HJ checks. CO checks. Button bets. BB folds. I call. HJ folds. CO calls.

Turn is A

I check. CO checks. Button bets. I raise. CO calls. Button folds.

River is A

I bet. CO raises. I “just” call(?).

CO played really weird. He is already there on the turn if he has a hand but never raised. River should change nothing, and I raise / call and lose 80 xtra to a bigger boat or make an extra 40... the chance of him having a bigger boat and never betting seems rather slim. But I can be spewy...

I would donk the turn. I would hate to see it get checked around while holding such a big hand.

I would 3b the river. The villain probably has a big Ace. Just call a 4b.

raise/call all day, she probably has an ace

i would at least 5 bet river.

How would you play A7s, A6s, A5s, A2s if you were villain, decided to over limp, call flop, and hit TP on turn (assuming you don't know how to fold)? Probably similar to this.

I three bet and don't feel bad about calling a fourth. It'd be closer to 5 betting, since they'd have had to x/c TPTK OTF or have A4 exactly to win.

There are way more naked aces than AT and A4, and CO sounds like she'd play and peel with all of them. Clear 3-bet on river.

I like a donk-3-bet on the turn as well, but c/r seems fine. Should capture a bet from whiffed paint.

Don't like preflop limp after a few folds. Not really sure what MP means (i.e. it's vague). How many seats off the button? Limping EP sounds okay, but once there are some folds, I'd rather raise or fold my whole range. With an aggressive button, I like limping even less.

whatever the lady has, doesn't make a lot of sense. the only hands i can figure are bad slowplays. and i think that the hands most likely to slowplay are the strongest ones (sets and a str8). and judging by the description, i wouldn't be surprised if 52s was in her overlimping range. the only 2 hands that beat us are a4 and AT (which can also be in her overlimp range, though i would think that she might raise AT). these are also beat up combinitoricially because of your ace and are the weakest hands to slowplay. you have to AT LEAST 5bet imho.

OMG please don't

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And yeah, this

Don't particularly like pre flop from mp

I, too, am not in love with opening for just one bet preflop.

How crazy am I for wanting to raise the flop once BTN c-bets? We have a chance to shut out HJ and CO so that our presumed second-best hand gets head-up in a large-ish pot, and we might even have the best hand, reverse-dominating someone else's ace.

I wouldn't call it crazy, but more like "overly optimistic". You listed most of the stars that need to align for this to be a winning line.... quite a parlay IMO.

I think it's the correct play unless the HJ and CO telegraphed calls.

You're basically on the break-even line preflop. Consider raising.

On the river, 3 bet, call 4.

Since CO is somewhat unpredictable you might not have a clear cut idea of what she has. I'd still 3-bet the river as there are quite a few holdings she might have that you can beat that she played strangely.

If she had AT you might expect her to bet the flop, hoping to get button to raise with over cards thus potentially thinning the field.

If she had A4 she would probably play as you did.

If she had 33 or 44 you would expect to hear from her on the flop or the turn but not necessarily and if she had TT a pre flop raise would have been in order.

Three betting the river beats 33, 44, TT and Ax all of which could be in her range for a river raise.

If she 4 bet it I would just call as conditional probability should narrow her range to hands that beat you more than 33.33% of the time.

Limping pre is bad. I know the feeling though. I constantly try to justify limping hands in a loose game. This is not one of them. I'd much rather limp TJs, TQs, TKs, then 9Ts 89s 9As. A3s is too weak. Hell, I'm sure most people will say not to limp the hands I mentioned, and either raise or fold them. I think it'll depend on table conditions. Also: you're in MP. Limping is 'better' if you're UTG or UTG+1, to increase chances the hand goes multi-way.

Turn x/r is fine. Donking might be good if people behind you are braindead and may raise here with a bare A.

River: Make a read. CO seems braindead. Can definitely be raising a bare A. Easy 3b, call a 4. Without said read, it'd be a tougher 3b, but still a 3b.

push river