TAG1 raises early,
LAGTAG three bets,
Fish TAG call
TAG2 caps button

HERO / Ninefingershuffle call bb with red AhAd.

Flop is 952r,
HERO c/r vs button TAG2 cbet, TAG1 three bets, LAGTAG calls, Fish TAG folds, button TAG2caps. 4 to turn.

Turn is 9527hh

Checked to TAG2 button who bets, HERO c/r, TAG1 folds, LAGTAG folds.

River is 9527hh6h

HERO bets, TAG2 raises.

HERO / Ninefingershuffle should?

I mean I call. Just feels like after he caps the flop and caps preflop there is no way he can have a backdoor flush except exactly 9Thh. Unless he’s soul reading withe pocket 99 nothing really makes sense. Somehow feels like we put in way too much action though.

+1 on river call.

Think entire hand is standard.

Per former LHE prop on Cereus / Lippert on 2+2 used to 4-8 table 5/10 - 10/20 LHE said Call with AA getting 27:1. TAG2 on BTN has to be bluffing 4% of the time to be profitable and that 4% includes someone being bad thinking their AA or KK is worthy of the additional value raise.

It would be easier to follow the HH if you used positions instead of the player names, which themselves are kind of hard to follow.

River is a slam-dunk call as played.

Yeah I just don’t understand what flushes or straights he can have, or how he can show up with a set. His line plain doesn’t make sense because all of his flushes should include a 9, and as a tag he shouldn’t have many 9’s here anyway.

When someone’s line doesn’t make sense I tend to call, so I will definitely call just to see it.

I also think the hand is played expertly, so I almost wanted to comment “this hand is too high level for me.” But truth be told I think the call at the end is fairly obvious. And if you think about it, both check/raises are pretty well-played. Just feels gross to get raised on the river because while it doesn’t make sense the pot is so massive there’s no way to fold— and should be no way to bluff.

All you can do is call. The way the hand played out the button can’t really have anything reasonable that beats us unless the button spewed PF with 99. Given we lose to 3 combos and the pot is absolutely massive I call and if we get coolered, we get coolered.

Yeah, I called obvy. But I’m never good when this guy raises.

99?

J9hh

This player cold four-betting J9s, and to a lesser extent, four-betting the flop with it, is such an egregious and fundamental error that this player is unlikely to be a winner in anything but the softest games, and you should update your reads accordingly.

I think 4betting flop is waaaay worse than 4betting preflop. Although calling him a tag seems pretty generous.

In a game this crazy I doubt J9s was the worst cards in this hand

This hand was totally butchered by the button. Only the river was played properly.

With a Lag/Tag and a fish in there and being on the button, I don't think capping 99's is spew at all.

TAG's do get out of line from time to time. That being said, the combination of pre flop , flop and turn play indicates at minimum a lack of hand reading. No matter what the description of the button is this would be a river call. For future posts a better read of the villain will make for more quality responses. If TAG was the read at the time of this hand then disregard. If this guy is a TAG who spews on occasion then we need to know this. Maybe he is on tilt.

Betting the turn after all of this action is also a mistake. If he just checks it back here it makes the flop play a little better.

This is why I think pre is worse than the flop. If he is capping the flop as a sort of free-card play where he is going to check back unless he hits a J or 9, and then re-evaluate on the river, I think it is defensible enough to not be as bad as cold fouring pre with a hand that should be instamucked, especially when he or she is gonna play the hand like this.

I also recognize there's a non-zero chance that maka is the player with J9s and we're totally trashing his play, in which case, sorry bro, but get better!

My concern isn’t the LAGTAG but the original TAG raiser, who probably has the tightest range of the three. 99 probably isn’t that bad but it should be behind the summation of the ranges.

Spew is probably too strong a word, but the ranges should be pretty tight because I would imagine the LAGTAG would account for a right range from the first raiser.

Thanks! Unfortunately, I can never get a seat in this game. Was not me but Ninefingershuffle usually wins around 5k a session?

Regarding people tilting, etc is quite common in this game. In terms of reads, Ninefingershuffle generally has substantial ones. OT: I'd rather not out people I'll hopefully get a chance to play with in future.

The j9 dude is a winner in the game but would probably be break even in an average game. And yes, he had AA cracked and was on tilt, but I was still surprised to see that hand.

Honestly in this game folding j9ss on the button there is likely an error. The opener can have very little.

Maka called him a TAG, though? I guess you guys have different reads. In any case, it's such a wild deviation that the parlay of having to beat the ranges of an opener, a three bettor, and someone who cold called three is way too much to overcome, IMO. This feels to me like the type of spot that people frequently feel like they can justify because they think they're stronger than the other players in the hand, and I just don't think that is so. This is a big, multiway pot. You need the best hand to win, and you're going to be hard pressed to eke back the equity you're dumping by getting in there with this. And unless the other players are in there with total trash, you're probably making their bad play more profitable.

+1 but I think you are biggest BB/100 on this game even when tilting & drunk

+1 but I think you are biggest BB/100 in this game even when tilting & drunk

Are you his agent?

Lol no but Ninefingershuffle plays great per my experience