So Villain is a good/decent lag. He plays too many hands pre and bets too much, but that's what lags do. For example, he is perfectly happy just capping 55 on the button after a raise and 3 bet.

So monkey raises in MP, I three bet A8ss in later position, and villain caps the SB. 3 to flop for 13 small bets

Flop is 8c3s3h. Villain bets, monkey calls, I call. 8 bb

Turn is Tc. Villain bets, monkey folds, I call. 10 bb

River is Kc. Villain bets and I raise.

You’re raising for value? Or as a bluff?

Given your description I’m guessing value?

will he fold a better hand to a raise? looks like a bluff to me, but maybe I’m missing something

I'm definitely bluffing the river. What would you do with 99 or QQ here? Basically the only hands that are real happy at the river for him are TT, AK that he's been barreling, some sort of AQ/AJcc thing, KK,or AA.


Although there are arguments for doing all sorts of **** before then, like raising flop or turn.

I just call down. LAG who bets too much with too wide of a range, I would think the most profitable line is check calling.

Was it the K that hit that made you think his range tilted towards value and you needed to check raise to get him off better? I don’t understand why we raise this river. We have showdown value. We beat enough of his range to call down confidently. We protect ourselves against the times he actually has a hand. LAGs probably don’t fold QQ-99 here for one bet on the river. When we raise, villain calls/raises hands that beat us, fold the rest. We have third pair fwiw.

I’m in position

I'd raise flop or turn. Depends on who LAG is. If Sheseasy is the LAG , ❤ the river raise for value

calling is better with this hand if he's barreling 77, clearly so if he has a lot of second pair. If he's not, then we're top-ish in folding range, we're blocking Aces and unblocking fold targets. Sure, why not.

Monkeys play poker?

I would start by raising the flop and take it from there. I don't really want to call flop to raise turn in this spot because (a) we're 3-handed; (b) we aren't going to like a lot of turn cards 3 ways; and (c) sometimes when we make aces up on the turn we get to raise anyway because villain leads what is perceived as a good card for him. The pot is so big that we should be getting value here from even just unimproved overcards. We might run out of value on later streets, which is fine, we can just check it back and get to showdown cheaper.

As played, I'm not inclined to raise here as a bluff because I think we get sigh called too much here when we're behind. I'd need to see that someone bet/folds a lot, and is willing to do so on the river in a large pot, before I try this, and even then, I think I'd rather do it with a hand with less showdown value.

Our blockers make sense since we block 88, AA, and AK which he never folds. But I think that our hand might just be too good to turn into a bluff. If I am villain, I am never folding anything to the river raise that can beat A8. And your read doesn't give me any reason to believe that this guy will fold anything that can beat A8.

River bluff raises can be devastatingly powerful against the right opponent. But in this case, I don't see a reason to believe that raising is better than just calling.

There’s not really a point to raising the flop I don’t think. In position at least

+1 Agree river bluff raise powerful but call > raise.

OT: sheseasy exploits hard via riverbluff raise (ex: vs Ninefingershuffle)


Yes. I am a Japanese monkey who migrated to USA & occasionally play poker when not trapped in Commerce, CA animal shelter

Given your description of villain seems like you have to raise flop or turn. I thought you were delaying on the flop so the turn seems really bad. As played I can’t imagine he is folding anything you beat on the river so raising seems really, really bad

not raising flop seems like a small error with a guy in the middle esp if lag will 3b with a wide wide range

HU i can see just calling

would a loose aggro players fold better on the river that often ?

seem a easy c/c to me .
i could see him fold way more hands that u beat anyway then better hands his folding .
the upside seem RIO a lot to me.

+1

Ninefingershuffle is by far best player at games played ainec (sans sober Sheseasy ).

Several decent LAG / reg makes exploitable folds vs Ninefingershuffle BTW assuming LAG or Ninefingershuffle didn't have way too much beers / wine.

Tldn, imo ninefingershuffle river raise fine low % of time if has image, reads, game flow, meta session / month

PS: Call > Raise for me as played on river as default.