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03-19-2018 , 10:46 AM

mongidig

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20/40 9 handed.

Folded to a tighter and more straight forward side of TAG who opens in LJ, I 3 bet next in with 9d9h, super loose and passive SB calls, TAG in BB calls, LJ calls

3d4s5c....Checked to me, I bet, both blinds call, LJ folds.

3d4s5c6h...It's checked to me...How should I proceed?

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03-19-2018 , 12:19 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Pretty easy bet/fold here I think.

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03-19-2018 , 02:24 PM

LifeRebooted

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I would bet/fold and check behind on all rivers except maybe a 9.

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03-19-2018 , 02:25 PM

colt45ss

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or is it a ck/call?

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03-19-2018 , 04:09 PM

etm.

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Definitely bet, there are so many hands with decent equity against you that are folding which is a pretty big deal.

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03-20-2018 , 12:32 PM

OMTONYG

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 15

Pretty much always going with a bet fold on this turn, doubt either one will turn alot of pair/ gutters into bluffs from these positions on this texture- it should also allow us to check behind alot of rivers, although should one of them lead the river it sucks alot- since im guessing good players will lead sets and two pairs on non 2/7 rivers

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03-20-2018 , 09:23 PM

DonkeyOnTilt

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Given that the 6 completes the rainbow I think you can safely bet/fold. Honestly I don't see any other way to play it. If you get bluffed, good on them.

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03-22-2018 , 11:13 AM

maka2184

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Q1: Can TAG BB or Loose Passive SB bet river as a bluff on certain run out if we chk Turn?

OR

Q2: Are LAP SB or TAG BB willing to value bet light with 6x or below on river??

If So, seems fine to chk turn to induce a bluff or light value bet on river.

If not, seems optimal to bet/fold turn unless TAG in BB can be induced to c/r turn light as a bluff on rainbow board 3456.

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03-24-2018 , 12:12 PM

mongidig

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My thinking was to bet and fold if the SB raised and call if the BB raised. I should bet with such a vulnerable hand plus checking gives free straight chop outs. This seems like a typical bet/fold situation and the turn hits the BB range so a bluff raise is reputable. I could see making a play if I was the BB. He could CR with two pair in which case we have outs. I still think we lose a lot though.

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03-25-2018 , 12:56 PM

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jdr0317

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I'm not actually sure if we can just safely B/F to the BB here, guys. He's going to be smart enough to know that our value range here is almost all 1 pair with no equity against a straight, and could attack this turn liberally.

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03-25-2018 , 03:57 PM

#11

Smarty 2.0

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I wish avoidthe9to5 was still here.

Usually, the GTO online players will check this turn and then bet most rivers in this spot from what I've seen.

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03-25-2018 , 09:31 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

I wish avoidthe9to5 was still here.

Usually, the GTO online players will check this turn and then bet most rivers in this spot from what I've seen.

Agreed. The fact is that this card is bad for our range. We can't represent any of the good hands on this board. We should be checking a lot.

Now OTOH if you're against opponents who can't exploit this, you can bet fold. But understand it's a highly exploitable line.

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03-25-2018 , 11:20 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Most opponents wont bluff. And you usally know who they are. checking here gives a free card to god knows how many outs.

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03-26-2018 , 08:11 AM

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JiveDef

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I probably bet assuming they have a donking range. If SB peels super loose here than BB has to play his hand face up and can't really bluff. Depending on your definition of tag (I think most people are tag fish and actually tags.) the BBs range should be fairly tight here. It's pretty hard for him to have a 7. The only hand I can think of is 77 and A7s. I guess it could be widened to 87 and 67 if LJ never has a capping range

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03-26-2018 , 10:29 AM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

I wish avoidthe9to5 was still here.

Usually, the GTO online players will check this turn and then bet most rivers in this spot from what I've seen.

Does this include 3 way pots or just HU?

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03-26-2018 , 12:24 PM

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phunkphish

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

I wish avoidthe9to5 was still here.

Usually, the GTO online players will check this turn and then bet most rivers in this spot from what I've seen.

Most aggro players would raise flop if they caught pair+straight draw. 99 needs protection the most when ahead. Would rather check turn, vbet with QQ+. With the 2s and 7s creating possible chops, I'd go ahead and bet all 99+.

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03-26-2018 , 09:56 PM

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bicyclekick

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Seems like a slamdunk bet fold with these players.

vs tougher players (nobody described in op) it's quite an interesting spot.

I don't have a firm answer as I just don't know. If the hand happened live I bet i'd fire a bet out there.

I could see why you'd want a hand that may be so far behind to use as a bluff catcher on the river...which has the positive of never folding a winner, but it also might lead you to giving overcards that would fold a free crack at the pot.

interesting hand

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