just fold AQ preflop...other people can have you dominated then you're in trouble and can lose to sets wait for a better spot am i right?

Dude, you really need to learn how to use pokerstove. Also, post this hand in small stakes or the beginners section where people wont flame you. This is all very elementary.

I guess I was being a little harsh, I should have just said I think you're being results oriented but I did really just wanted to make sure that I was understanding you. So now I'll rephrase, I think you're being results oriented.

This whole thread is a level, right?

I am sorry. I disagree. Based purely on the math this is in fact a snap call, and yes very elementary in that respect. Because if we hit that queen we are golden right? and make out long term? well maybe not? Given the action

If it was just the one chick that raised me and the other 2 folded, I would snap 3 bet it, but i have two others who are calling 32 on the flop in a typically nitty calling station 8/16 game. This is very strong.

When you make statement like this, you arent helping your case. Nitty calling station is an oxymoron. You have a severe lack of understanding of equity, ranges, and fundamentals. If you dont believe me count up the responses of the posters in this thread that agree with you.

bad choice of words there by me.

Maybe i do have a lack of understanding about the things you mentioned above. I knew I was beat and got out though. And was right. At best I was splitting if that 2 outer came that wasn't a heart. So what does that count for?

If you don't have a good understanding of the things if the things I mentioned above then you could not "know you were beat." if you have some kind of psychic ability that no one else in this forum possesses', and thereby have no need to deduce ranges I don't see the point in posting this hand, except as some thinly results oriented brag. Word to the wise don't post
an OP saying you have no reads on the players and then after the results of the hand claim you did. I refuse to believe that only 3% of players in this game 3bet w aq or ak. I'm sure some of the people who play in that game and post here regularly can back me up on this. Try posting this in any lhe on this site and see how much support you get. Remember, any fish can point to the results of one hand as justification for there terrible play. This does not mean that this play will make them money in the long run.

Lol, posting long winded posts on iPhone is -ev. Can't figure out how to edit past the 2nd line.

ok so does this stove say it is +ev to make this call and call down? given the action

With no reads it's the easiest call down ever. With reads that the villains are super nitty it's still ev and esp if you give villain's fds after the turn. Also one of your opponents neglected to put his/her last full bet in, so strong could his range be? Even if the opponent your are most worried about turned over Ak on the flop, you still have to call w AQ, when you consider pot odds + implied odds.

More than 3% for sure but usually in position. The game normally plays loose-passive w/ emphasis on passive. I am guilty once again of replying based on my personal perspective. Villain 1 won't c/r me w AQ, she's too scared of me so I would've bet every street, been shown the AK and thought 'typical'. OP, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish itt.
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I'm also posting from my phone while playing. I've mentioned several times that I'm the only player that ppl limp/fold to. It happened the other day and boc told me just what you did, Mitch, and just right now an utg limper folded when I raised otb w/ 10-10. Maybe I need to 'wild-up' my image or something.

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No way someone has 600+ posts on 2+2 and doesn't know what poker stove is.

Posting because HB told me to

OP, it's been a while with that particular game so I'm going to defer to HB on the way people play preflop, but will say that people certainly at least used to 3b way more than 3% pf. Given the number of former 20 regs I see in those games now I have a hard time believing that's the pf3b% has actually dropped.

Count me among the folks that are saying the ranges you're assigning here are way, way too narrow, both generally and for that particular game. Peoples's flop cc ranges here absolutely include things like gutshots (KJ, QJ, sometimes even stuff like 45s), flush draws, raggy aces, etc (and that's excluding the times people have stuff like KhTx and are calling for the super backdoor prayer-combo). A couple of quick and dirty 'stoves puts your equity against those ranges somewhere between 14% and 20%.

A couple of other random thoughts:

1) more generally outside of how this particular villain 1 plays, you are definitely getting c/r'ed by worse aces here with at least some frequency, kill pot or no. I'd be really carefully asigning super-narrow ranges in that particular game.

2) I'd also be really inclined to reassess your read of villain 2 given how he played his hand here

3) results oriented thinking- The way the hands plays out, you're not only getting 15:1 on the flop, but assuming no one raises later streets, probably something like ~11:1 on the turn and at least 13:1 on the river, depending on if/when people fold. Implications for pokerstove aside, is your read so rock solid that you're not wrong more than ~one time in 11?

Yes, I get the math part...

But don't you have to discount your outs of probably only 2 with the given action? someone could have a set. And even when your q hits that could give someone a straight with KJ. If another heart comes everything is destroyed. And like I said, I felt as if I would be lucky if I was only against AK.

POKERSTOVE! Learn it, use it.

looks too confusing

To set the record str8:

As I pm'd ILikeRocks, I'm partly FOS itt, bec this is live 8/16 and it's a super standard call down (at least) that I routinely make. If I fold AQ it's bec I absolutely know I'm beat and that's fairly rare.

I think there is a some kind of tutorial on the website. I could be wrong, but just keep posting hands in small stakes (tbh ,the discussion is much better there and they will be much more patient.)

if it was playing 8/16 I would have prob called down... but it was playing a 16/32 structure for that hand. So that tilted me even further into thinking that these hands were stronger then in an 8/16 structure.



And actually now that I think... I had the action a tad off... the dealer chick villian 1 acting after me just called my flop bet and it was villain 2 who raised it on the flop, and villian 3 cold calling.

Well, now, that changes things a bit, doesn't it? I told you she's mubsy. She also almost certainly checked dark before the flop, right? Anyway, have you got it right that V2 only had one SB (if I read your OP right) left? Non math guy that I am I think that makes his flop raise and a turn call UI correct also but the others will know better math-wise.

btw: Tilt:bad

And if you don't mind me saying so your sn:bad, it makes my eyes bleed. Please consider a change.

Now that I think about it some more if V2 only had 1 sb left I think you should 3!

grunch: wow. the end.

does grunch mean "I haven't read any other replies but this is in response to the OP"?

[sex tries to fix words/save face/demonstrate poker knowledge]:

[epic fail of sex to demonstrate poker knowledge]

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