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06-01-2021 , 04:06 AM
7 handed. Folds to me on the button with 77. I raise Bb calls. He’s a strong tag, sometimes lag, that can mix it up.

Flop QJ3r

x, I bet, he raises, I call

Thoughts so far? I think he can be bluffing a lot here. At the same time, he’s either slightly behind me/flipping or way ahead. I could check back the flop here, but that also seems kind of hard to balance to split my range on this board, although it’s great for my particular hand.
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06-01-2021 , 05:14 AM
I just call the flop c/r planning to call down on non-terrible boards. If I ever check back on this board, I don't choose 77. 77 needs a lot of protection, but is also strong enough to go for 3 streets of value on plenty of rundowns.
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06-02-2021 , 04:25 AM
I suspected that was the case. It doesn’t take too many bluffs for this to be a profitable call down. I assume I’m looking to fade 9tkqa?
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06-02-2021 , 05:07 AM
I would fold on those cards against someone who sticks to "natural" bluffs... in this case, straight draws. But against someone who check-raises a lot of weird backdoorish stuff, I might need both the turn and river to be those bad cards before I give up if I even give up at all. In button vs. BB situations, I feel like people are much more likely to c/r stuff like 64s, A4s, 75s, etc. than they would normally be. Such a player might actually be planning to give up on the river if none of those scare cards (AKT98) fall.

Fading AKT98 twice isn't easy. I don't want to give an aggressive opponent a 20-outer twice.
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06-04-2021 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
In button vs. BB situations, I feel like people are much more likely to c/r stuff like 64s, A4s, 75s, etc.
Vs opponents who XR a slew of filth like this make your life easier and strengthen your bet range. It is far easier (see less profitable) path to playing the hand well and will lead to less mistakes in long sessions.
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06-04-2021 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicJaxx
Vs opponents who XR a slew of filth like this make your life easier and strengthen your bet range. It is far easier (see less profitable) path to playing the hand well and will lead to less mistakes in long sessions.
I just ran a sim in Simple Postflop on this flop and was surprised to find out that the solver checks back 77-TT 100% of the time on this board using my pre-flop ranges. It starts betting 66 at 43% frequency and bets 44/22/A3 100% for protection I assume. I was wrong about 77 needing much protection. After all, any 2 higher cards than a 7 can at least peel the flop. So we have no way to protect 77 on the flop. Overall, it checks back 39% of the time on the flop which surprised me too.

The solver does c/r the "slew of filth" I mentioned at some frequency. It loves A4s with a backdoor flush draw the most with 80ish% frequency. 64s with a backdoor flush draw comes in at 65-70%. But 75s with a backdoor flush draw only comes in at 12-20%.

That being said, I was way off on how often we should call down a hand like 77. I looked at how the solver plays 44-66 since 77 isn't in the flop bet-call range at all. As it turns out, it almost always folds the turn on A, K, T. It mostly calls down river bricks on a turned 8. And it mixes on a 9.

So I would have spewed my ass off in this hand lol, good to know if I ever play LHE again.
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06-07-2021 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
I just ran a sim in Simple Postflop on this flop and was surprised to find out that the solver checks back 77-TT 100% of the time on this board using my pre-flop ranges. It starts betting 66 at 43% frequency and bets 44/22/A3 100% for protection I assume. I was wrong about 77 needing much protection. After all, any 2 higher cards than a 7 can at least peel the flop. So we have no way to protect 77 on the flop. Overall, it checks back 39% of the time on the flop which surprised me too.

The solver does c/r the "slew of filth" I mentioned at some frequency. It loves A4s with a backdoor flush draw the most with 80ish% frequency. 64s with a backdoor flush draw comes in at 65-70%. But 75s with a backdoor flush draw only comes in at 12-20%.

That being said, I was way off on how often we should call down a hand like 77. I looked at how the solver plays 44-66 since 77 isn't in the flop bet-call range at all. As it turns out, it almost always folds the turn on A, K, T. It mostly calls down river bricks on a turned 8. And it mixes on a 9.

So I would have spewed my ass off in this hand lol, good to know if I ever play LHE again.
If we CR the 64s or the 75s does the solver always bet the turn if called? Does it ever give up on brick turns? I remember seeing a video where the coach said that he continues with the bluff only if he improves in some way on the turn either by picking up a legit draw or a pair.
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