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11-10-2008 , 07:04 AM
Live 60, my image is generaly TAG but I've been playing a little loose and managed to show down 93o a few other such hands, some played worse then others.

Original PF raiser is pretty awful and loves to yell at dealers, currently losing and on tilt.
Button has been pretty quiet and TAGish.
BB is bad and has cc'd multiple bets PF from the BB before, recently bluffed in a poor spot.

6 handed because of walkers, 1 fold, Angry guy opens, I 3b QcTs in CO, Button caps, SB fold, BB calls 3, call, call.

Flop Ac6c7d, and it checks around.

Turn 7c

BB bets, 1 fold, I raise...
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11-10-2008 , 10:00 AM
i dont mind taking a shot at this pot give the circumstances and the pot certainly is big enough to warrant this once in awhile. just sucks that youre gonna have to more than likely 3 barrel.
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11-10-2008 , 02:52 PM
I agree, I think it's good to raise here. I think you have to be very liberal in raising when you're in position and a scare card comes on the turn. But crusher19 is right you have to 3 barrel here.
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11-10-2008 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by .CJ.
... but I've been playing a little loose and managed to show down 93o a few other such hands ...
A little?
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11-10-2008 , 04:37 PM
sorry OP, hand is butchered.. fold PF, as played call turn
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11-10-2008 , 05:10 PM
There is some psychological factor called cognitive something or other that basically states that people tend to remember weird things. You can show down aces 93% of the time for 4 straight hours and show down the 93o once and everytime people are going to think you have the 93o. Take it from someone who knows.
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11-10-2008 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by .CJ.
Live 60, my image is generaly TAG but I've been playing a little loose and managed to show down 93o a few other such hands, some played worse then others.
What?

I was talking with a pretty well respected Las Vegas middle limit pro about people's self-descriptions. He said that 90% or more of all players describe themselves as "TAG" but somehow the players he plays against day in and day out are about 10-15% TAG. Apparently, non-TAGs generally won't talk to him, or something.

As for the hand, raising is probably the only way to win the hand, so if winning the hand is crucial to you, raising is good. But in my experience, angry players don't fold.

Edit -- Ok, angry guy folded. BB took 3 to the face and then checked the flop and bet the turn? You're behind. Fold.

Last edited by KenoVictoryLap; 11-10-2008 at 06:02 PM. Reason: didn't see angry guy folded
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11-10-2008 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cgrohman
There is some psychological factor called cognitive something or other that basically states that people tend to remember weird things.
Cognitive recognition of abbarent behavior; aka, "CRAB."

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You can show down aces 93% of the time for 4 straight hours and show down the 93o once and everytime people are going to think you have the 93o.
Except the guy that had KK- twice.

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Take it from someone who knows.
And the moral of this story is...?
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11-10-2008 , 08:10 PM
The moral of the story is it is harder to bluff after showing down the 93o and other such hands.
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11-10-2008 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by leo doc
A little?
I know, that is why I put that in the OP. The 93o hand was 4 handed and I had the button and didn't look, but whatever.

David, I don't think you saw I have the 2nd nut flush draw, folding isn't an option.

What ranges do you guys put the BB on? While he very easily could have Ax, possibly a 7, I think he can also have a 6 he is folding, 89 or 910 with a club, maybe even the naked Kc, ect.
Button has me confused as well, but whatever he had he played it poorly.
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11-10-2008 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by .CJ.
I know, that is why I put that in the OP. The 93o hand was 4 handed and I had the button and didn't look, but whatever.

David, I don't think you saw I have the 2nd nut flush draw, folding isn't an option.

What ranges do you guys put the BB on? While he very easily could have Ax, possibly a 7, I think he can also have a 6 he is folding, 89 or 910 with a club, maybe even the naked Kc, ect.
Button has me confused as well, but whatever he had he played it poorly.
folding the Kc? are you on crack?

Button's play is fine with a number of holdings ... small pairs, KQs ... checking KK is totally fine too

also I'd recommend looking at your cards before raising...

also you should fold QTo preflop in this hand
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11-10-2008 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by .CJ.
I know, that is why I put that in the OP. The 93o hand was 4 handed and I had the button and didn't look, but whatever.
If you'd had mentioned it was an isolated hand that you played blind, then OK. However, this got my attention:

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[and] a few other such hands

Last edited by leo doc; 11-10-2008 at 08:28 PM.
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11-10-2008 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cgrohman
The moral of the story is it is harder to bluff after showing down the 93o and other such hands.
I knew that.

Reckon I shoulda stopped my post with the pseudo-intellectual acronym.
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11-10-2008 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tryptamean
folding the Kc? are you on crack?

Button's play is fine with a number of holdings ... small pairs, KQs ... checking KK is totally fine too

also I'd recommend looking at your cards before raising...

also you should fold QTo preflop in this hand
Sigh, really? Of course I don't expect him to fold it on the turn, but I'm likely firing the river if I miss, and is he calling me with K high there?

What is the your minimum hand for isolating a bad tilting player 6 handed?
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11-10-2008 , 09:04 PM
my bad about Kc...

as far as offsuit Qx hands go, then KQo

your relative positions are important here, CO vs HJ I play way way more straightforward since not only will villain's range be stronger, but you are not guaranteed to have position postflop, plus you have 1 more player that can have a legit hand...

If it was CO vs Button that'd do it, but still thin esp considering the loose BB
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11-10-2008 , 09:40 PM
Totally missed the flush draw.
Ok, raise is not terrible but its not really a semi-bluff because I don't think you win any meaningful percent of the time and I don't think your equity is large enough to make the raise profitable.

But more importantly, unless he is totally levelling (he knows that you know the angry guy is raising light so he can call with a wide range against you and try to rep his hand later but the button capping confounds things so the BB actually probably has a hand here), the BB is SO likely to b/3b this turn given your likely perceived image.

So call the turn.

And no, QTo is not a bad 6 handed 3 bet if you have a decent image AND the other players have adjusted to playing 6 max for the moment. If they haven't, you are probably crushed preflop and angry guy probably is showdown bound hu.
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