I'm admittedly rusty and and I'm just starting to play back at these levels after taking a long poker hiatus.

Please give me feed back on all streets. This hand plays it's self a bit but I'm more interested in value when there's this many people in the hand and assigning the villain a range. The turn play is whats most interesting.

in Cutoff w AJh

Villain UTG very loose aggressive Raises, Next player calls, 2 off button calls.

I call one off button (any value in a raises here?). Button calls and only had 2 big bets behind. Both blinds come along, both blinds are tight weak, so 6 to the flop.


Flop comes 9d-8h-Kh. Blinds check, Villain bets, 2 calls, I raise, button calls (and basically out of money), small blind folds, bb calls and villain 3 bets. one fold and 2 off button calls 2. I flat the three bet and bb calls. Cap in this spot mandatory?, I make it 4 most of the time but I had a poor read on Villain and with 4 still in the hand I wasn't sure if there was value.

Turn : Ad (bringing two flush both h/d). Villain leads, next player calls. I Raise. BB calls and Villain goes 3. With this much action I figure he has KK, 88, or is playing AK like a maniac and regret my raise. Should I have raised here on this turn? The other 2 in the hand are on draws, or BB playing a made hand super duper weak. I put bb on KQ, or KJ but I'm having a tough time assigning them ranges in real time. We all call, so 4 to the river..

Will post results after I get some feed back.

You have a very easy 3b preflop here. Whatever you do on the flop the turn raise is quite poor. Just call.


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Turn is a call given how big the pot already is, villain being able to b3b this this flop with you blocking the nut flush draw.

Preflop is fine. Flop is fine since your ace might not be clean.

"I call one off button (any value in a raises here?). Button calls"

There's value in keeping the button from playing.

"I flat the three bet and bb calls. Cap in this spot mandatory?"

Isn't there a 5-bet cap at the Bellagio?

Preflop is not fine. Preflop is bad. Clear as day 3 bet.


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30-60 seems like a good compromise to get 20-40 regs to play bigger. Ps: there is a 5bet cap at bellagio.

Raise pre for value. AJs is a top ~5% hand. Opener is very wide. ColdCallers have decapitated ranges. Play around on propokertools and you'll see how much of an edge you have that you aren't pushing. Getting blinds to fold dead money is huge, too.

Flop: you say "with 4 still in the hand I wasn't sure if there was value". You have more value the more players in the hand. Your comment seems to imply the opposite. Consider how much equity you have and the number of players. Read up on pushing equity edges when you have a big draw.

I agree pre flop. I gave the UTG way too much credit in this hand. I hated the way I played this hand on every street but the river and the river played it's self.

3b pf. 4b flop. i like the turn raise, you're a huge favorite against utg's range and you have everyone else crushed

yes, 5 cap in Bellagio. my mistake I was mixing up my casinos and used to 4 being cap. With 5 cap in place, do you cap pre flop if re-raised as standard with UTG raise?

30/60 doesn't exist at Bellagio. Hasn't for a decade. Why you lyin tho.

?? zero reason to make anything up. but you're correct, it was 40-80 not the 30-60, just looking for some honest feed back after a lot of poker in the past month. mainly at commerce and casino AZ.

I haven't learned how to use propokertools yet so feel free to tweak the holdings. #NumbersBeatConjectureYo Even a loose range it seems our edge is quite slim. If somehow can show me how to exclude stronger holdings from the two cold callers I'm sure equity will go up.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AhJh	26.33%	152,902	11,534
77+, 7x8x+, tj+, a9+, ax5x	24.79%	142,347	13,987
44+, tj+, 7x8x+, at+, ax2x+	24.44%	140,708	13,133
44+, tj+, 7x8x+, at+, ax2x+	24.44%	140,747	13,008

No.

try Equilab (good free program) instead

here's something i just ran. not sure on pf range assumptions obv.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com

Equity Win Tie

UTG 24.86% 23.30% 1.55% { 55+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

UTG+2 21.30% 19.99% 1.31% { 99-22, AJs-A2s, K7s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo-A8o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

MP2 21.93% 20.56% 1.37% { 99-22, AJs-A2s, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, AQo-A9o, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }

CO 31.91% 29.55% 2.36% { AJs }

You need to decapitate cold callers.

A raise pf is best. Turn raise given the previous action is pure spew. No hands worse than AJ bet that turn.

this is such an easy turn raise. what range are you guys giving utg on the turn?

Villain has taken an aggressive action every chance hes gotten, he is not afraid of this Ace, that has me worried. How can this be an easy turn raise?

Of course it's easy if he's one of those button clicking types who raises for fun but against any thinking player we're dead to a heart.

He's described as loose-aggressive, so for one thing, not 3-betting preflop sounds bad. Establish if he has hands like AJo/ATo/A9s/KQo in his range and if he'd play them that way up until the turn. Do the ace-x hands bet the flop sometimes? Does Kx continue on the turn? Seems quite possible, since no one has done anything but call. You'd only have to be ahead of the the continuer a small fraction of the time here for the raise to be awesome. Rather than sand bag/play defense and go for OVER CALLS from weaker hands, I'd rather go for COLD CALLS from hands like JT, T7, lower hearts, possibly Ax cold calls a time he bet Kx. Doubt you're ever getting 3-bet by worse and you'll freeze the action vs. AQ and possibly low aces up. It will be really easy to play the times you get 3-bet, especially if people cold called (protecting the pot). Fold river unimproved and likely collect 2+ bets the times you flush up.

+1

Without running numbers, I know in real time I would probably call as played based on turn still being 4 ways although Id consider raise based on players, reads, history, meta, etc

OnTheRail15, what would be your approximate hand range for turn raise range be as played or if you had 3 bet PF but action was still the same?

Been too busy and have not had chance to play lately but mistake to not have bluffs 4 ways on turn as played and nothing worse then Top Pair Top Kicker?

Raise on turn can't be terrible getting 3:1 on our money.

i think the turn raise his fine because hero did not 3bet pf or cap flop ?
That card should of sky high hero range imo but obv, its the last raise in the hand unless we flush it.

I agree that the turn raise is bad. We lose to AQ+, KK+, 88, 99, A8, A9, K9, K8s. All of which make up a sizeable portion of a laggy villian's range. Villian's draws like QThh, JT, 67s and T7s also have decent equity vs. your perceived range.

With 86 combos of hands that we are behind to OTT and 21 combos of draws that beat us OTR, raising the turn is a clear mistake.