What makes you think his solicitations were at all welcomed? It's not just me who does not like solicitors. Where I come from it's rude. Why aren't people posting ads about the greatness of Colgate, etc. in this forum? And how many times do I have to decline Colgate before I can tell Mr. Sales to go away?

If this is a sincere argument, you should know-- although given this, you likely won't comprehend why-- that is virtually impossible to be a very good poker player with an understanding of logic at the level demonstrated.

Uh huh.

DougL, I find it hard to believe that you think "lets go play poker and see" actually proves anything. His suggestion that it would prove some is clearly adolescent. If you take that as insulting, then maybe you should rethink things, like what "proof" is. Nothing he said was at all relavent. It was like a Colgate commercial, just as relevant as that. If I instigate a long aside, at least I'd do it in a PM, but I'm not a spammer, and if he did PM me I'd report it as spam. I don't have time for the adolescence. Unless you'd care to explain why a game of poker is proof.

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Your first response to him was an insult, and it makes me regret responding seriously to you.

BTW: That poster has won more playing limit holdem than most of the winning players on this forum combined, engaging him to understand his arguments is super valuable. You should be thinking of apologizing but instead you double down.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I really don't care if you think straddles are profitable or not and I'm certainly not going to take the time to show you the math that may cockcne you....

I want to play poker because I think it will be a very profitable spot for me and you think it will be a very profitable spot for you. That's how games start.

As far as the "insults" feel free to say whatever you want, I really don't care.

If a Colgate rep knocked on your door and asked for a $2,000 coin flip (that's proven fair) where you post $750 would you do it or turn him away. That's basically what I'm doing by offering such a sick spot

I took what he said as an insult as though straddling is profitable against me. I am just interested in the truth about it in the abstract instead of all this other nonsense. I have him on ignore. I'd respect that you'd respect that. In hindsight I would straddle in 3 player game btw. Also in hindsight I'd find another game. I don't need faux offers from Publisher's Clearing House. And, I don't really trust people who encourage me to play with their buddies in a three handed game. Perhaps I am cynical. At least no one thus far is stupid enough to suggest a game of poker proves anything, which is all I was after in the first place. I'll have to program it myself, since no one is generous enough to offer any kind of proof. It's stupid to assume everyone is wired by becoming an ev seeker. I am a truth seeker who doesn't care about the gospel of Colgate.

I think straddling the button 3 handed is profitable vs anyone. The real question should be is it more profitable than not straddling.

I think you think I meant something other than what I actually meant.

Good luck with your poker journey.

I wasn't telling you to play him, I was telling you not to be rude. I've noticed from your posts you seem to have a few obvious leaks. It's the purpose of this forum to help new players improve, just as others helped me in the past. But unlike you, I wasn't an ass to those who tried to help me so I don't feel any obligation to participate your threads from now on.

I never said or implied that you suggested I play him, btw. I have no interest in a match sponsored by Colgate. I don't care who he is. He's very dense/rude not to understand that by now. It's not an ev calculation therefore I ought to be interested. It's an unsolicited offer, therefore it's irrelevant to the discussion I was trying to have. You never should feel obligated to post in any thread, duh. People that actually want to help you don't go about it with HU Colgate cage matches that lead to the truth about nothing. He basically offers me nothing and calculates it to be positive ev, and appeals to the ego, which is incorrect and immature. I'd much rather look at simulations, which would actually lead to something scientific somewhere somehow.

AND even ev wise, he still did not show it was in my interest as there are other games that interest me more in that capacity.

We can play as big as you want to make sure it's worth more than the other games

Why is the ignore feature so miserable? As Mr Colgate knows, there's bankroll considerations, and I prefer to play the games I already play. How is this not trolling by now? Of course I am the one being rude, and Mr Colgate is just kindly reminding me to brush my teeth, and I should be an ass kisser, etc. Etc. I also do not play online, and do not make exceptions for snow flakes.

My interest is mostly scientific. If the troll's only point is that I shouldn't be too sure about the straddle then it can read that I already conceded that, and yet it doesn't read. The mod is a total joke. Solicitations I believe are not even in the boundaries of TPT as far as I know. I'm sure it would not appreciated if I peddled for $20.

I find that hard to believe given your first response to an actual discussion on the topic was this.

hi leavesofliberty - this isn't a politics forum. constant thread derails, insults, and trolling aren't welcome here. please change your tone and content or the mods (mostly me) will start deleting your posts and infracting you.

in our nc/lc threads (or in lots of other subforums such as politics or nvg) you can do lots more arguing for argument's sake (even when proven completely wrong) but in these strategy threads in strategy subforums it's not appreciated.

thanks, and please feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to discuss this or anything else.

And, how isn't John Locke derailing here? I suggest moving his (totally worthless) posts, and my replies to ATF.

Often there is more content in my trolling? If you can't recognize it than that's unfortunate. That's just the manner in which I give it.

Example, you learned that it's ok the straddle 3 handed. But rather than being thankful for the free information you get upset by the manner in which the free information was delivered.


If you can learn how to handle criticism you will likely be much better off

For example: which post do you think has more actual content ...

disagree. leaves is doing it right. every time someone questions a pro's credibility, they always spill the beans and make it one of the most info rich threads i've ever seen.

I think this exhibits an underlying problem of yours regarding the understanding of expected value. The button is such a strong position that even horrible poker players will show a long term profit in that position unless they're actively trying to lose. Getting insulted that one thinks straddling is profitable vs you is evidence enough that you only have a vague understanding of expected value.

Even without a straddle, the button owns, and is entitled to, a piece of your big blind. The sooner you begin to understand this, and also the sooner you stop getting offended when people disagree with you, the sooner you will begin to improve at poker.

To take the above a step further, if we could add up the profitability of all hands in a good player's range from a certain position, we would clearly see that this strategy as a whole is quite profitable from every single position with the exception of playing the blinds vs a raise. If we could look at two or more strategies of good players as a whole vs each other, we would see both strategies turning a profit, after the blinds are posted of course. If both players are playing correctly by making profitable decisions, then literally every hand that they see a flop with will show a long term profit. If we look at the profitability of any given strong poker strategy after blinds and antes have been posted, we will clearly see that poker is truly a positive sum game which allows more than one player to profit due to the dead money in the pot created by the blinds and antes.

LEaves seems to think that I meant specifically it would profitable to straddle vs him where it might jot vs others (or at least less profitable)...just to clarify, yes that's exactly what I meant....

The problem is that all you want to do is focus on whether or not that's insulting and not on whether or not it's correct. Personally I would rather be insulted and get better but lots of people don't feel that way.

I see little evidence in his posts that he wants to get better.

Y'all some nits, I don't go out of my way to try to get a straddle going. But I could never imagine refusing to straddle if others wanted to or objecting to making a game must straddle.

I only object when some pro is going to straddle anyways because he's on raging girl so he tries to make it a must straddle game ant take everyone down with him