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04-11-2019 , 11:39 PM

Sushi Duh

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I see a lot of these “pros” 3bet and cap with very marginal hands ranging from pocket 66 to ace king trying to isolate action. Is this a good strategy? In a wild $40 -$80 when everyone is calling they are just burning chips. I just sit back and use their aggression towards my advantage and when they perceive me to a nit I start check raising them and bluffing them out of their small pairs and draws.

I mean 2-3 handed with position I see how it can be an advantage but on their off days they will be burning racks.

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04-12-2019 , 12:50 AM

jdr0317

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This is a poor and overly general question because the answer is “it depends”. Why not post a hypothetical that can be discussed instead of “capping this is spew”

Also, AK is a premium hand and a standard cap in almost all scenarios.

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04-12-2019 , 01:00 AM

stinkypete

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I have to confess I'm that guy who 3 bets and caps with AK

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04-12-2019 , 01:49 AM

Sushi Duh

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I have to confess I'm that guy who 3 bets and caps with AK

I’m not and these have been my results since I fined tuned my game.

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04-12-2019 , 02:19 AM

stinkypete

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I’m not and these have been my results since I fined tuned my game.

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You should probably move up from your 4.7175/9.435 limit hold'em game if you're winning over 17BB/hr

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04-12-2019 , 04:22 AM

Sushi Duh

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

You should probably move up from your 4.7175/9.435 limit hold'em game if you're winning over 17BB/hr

These are mixed results with no limit.

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04-12-2019 , 04:53 AM

stinkypete

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These are mixed results with no limit.

glad your no limit results improved when you stopped 3-betting AK in yes limit

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04-12-2019 , 09:01 AM

Smarty 2.0

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You should probably move up in stakes if youre winning 93% of your sessions.

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04-12-2019 , 09:34 AM

DrHoldemPhD

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This lagtag strategy increases their winrate by disguising their monster hands and also creating dead money in the pot from the blinds. It is pushing small edges so it will increase their variance.

If you are on one of these guys' right then adjusting by tightening up your open raise range a bit and showing down more marginal hands then I think you're adjusting correctly to them. If you think they have a leak postflop (i.e., too fold) then if they are on your right you should cap and 3bet them lightly in response.

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04-12-2019 , 02:12 PM

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Sushi Duh

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Thank you for this response. You clearly put to words what I’ve been trying to say.

As to the user who told me to move up.
I won’t move up to the $60/120 because why would I leave a easy beatable game like the juicy $25/$50 at hustler and $20/40 at the bike for a more difficult game? I’m a rec player that enjoys the benefit of free sushi money. Also trying to hit the $75k jackpot is another reason why I play.

I noticed that limit hold em is making a comeback. Limit is honestly more fun for me.

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04-12-2019 , 02:43 PM

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Must be nice to be sun running. Makes you feel like you've unlocked the secrets to limit hold em.

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04-12-2019 , 02:46 PM

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Sushi Duh

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Must be nice to be sun running. Makes you feel like you've unlocked the secrets to limit hold em.

The secret is to play against bad people and have multiple table options.

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04-12-2019 , 03:57 PM

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jesse8888

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You're a stone idiot. That's all.

Hi everyone this is John lockes fault he spends all day trying to prove he runs worse than me and while it's probably true seriously man eeeffffffuuuuuuu for getting me to login

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04-12-2019 , 04:04 PM

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NittyOldMan1

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PokerBob gimmick?

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04-12-2019 , 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh

I noticed that limit hold em is making a comeback. Limit is honestly more fun for me.

LHE is definitely fun when you're running 3 standard deviations above expectation

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04-12-2019 , 05:10 PM

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Sushi Duh

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LHE is definitely fun when you're running 3 standard deviations above expectation

Some of these wins came from being stuck 4 racks and playing over 30+ hrs in a single session to get a W. Not exactly easy or fun

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04-12-2019 , 05:30 PM

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Not exactly easy or fun

Just wait until you run bad

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04-12-2019 , 06:42 PM

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Sushi Duh

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Just wait until you run bad

I’ve met a $40/$80 player that was a winning player for 9 years straight but then two years ago had his biggest losing streak ever. Told me he was down over $160k or $185k. Our games are different but I imagine this is what you’re referring to as “running bad”?

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04-12-2019 , 09:59 PM

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DrHoldemPhD

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Enjoy:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...l-free-549562/

DougL's post and the following discussion and other discussions linked are gold. Opened my eyes and made me a LAGTAG (I was so lol-underrolled for the variance what the hell was I thinking).

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04-13-2019 , 04:47 AM

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If you have the bankroll plus life expenses covered move up, if not don't. All I can say is it will be nearly impossible to beat 60/120 for 2BB per/hr over the long term because that's where the toughest players reside. Also if you aren't R/Ring AK you are leaving significant money on the table. Just think how much more money you would have won if you 3bet or capped with AK in those multiway pots while playing 40.

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04-13-2019 , 08:40 AM

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Vanhaomena

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AK is a marginal hand? This is why I don't play limit.

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04-13-2019 , 08:57 AM

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Jesus is this what the forum has devolved to?

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04-13-2019 , 09:02 AM

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Sushi Duh

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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE

Lol

Is 3 betting and capping with at marginal hands in a / game the norm?

funny you mentioned just got back a few hours ago and I got dealt AK 4 times in 3hrs of play tonight. I capped the **** out of it like you guys told me went 2/4 but I really should have won 3/4. Drunk guy called a 5 4 off suit in capped 4 way pot. Flop k 5 q two clubs I ram jam gets to 3bets on flop. Turn 4 I bet everyone calls, river 5 no clubs. he checks river the two players check and I reluctantly check behind thinking the river helped me but not 100% sure.

5 4 off suit lol makes a full house. Gonna run the numbers on this hand.

Ended the night with my win streak still intact $1377 in 3hrs.

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04-13-2019 , 10:43 AM

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mongidig

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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh

Limit does seem to be making a comeback. I've noticed a lot of Omaha, Big O players coming into the game.

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04-13-2019 , 11:19 AM

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would you be interested in being staked ??

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