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Is 3 betting and capping with at marginal hands in a / game the norm? Is 3 betting and capping with at marginal hands in a / game the norm?

04-13-2019 , 11:41 AM
ITT: nit on supernova heater learns about all the money he's left on the table.
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04-13-2019 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by prototypepariah
would you be interested in being staked ??

No I just play for fun.


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04-13-2019 , 10:36 PM
OP is trolling
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04-14-2019 , 12:50 AM
How bad can not 3 or 4 betting AK really be if we shouldn’t be 3 betting JJ out of the bb multi-way or even raising QQ in 6-7 way limped pots. JJ and QQ are both better than AK.

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04-14-2019 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob...Chill
How bad can not 3 or 4 betting AK really be if we shouldn’t be 3 betting JJ out of the bb multi-way or even raising QQ in 6-7 way limped pots. JJ and QQ are both better than AK.
who says we shouldnt be 3 betting JJ and raising QQ? youd rather people get to play their 78 offsuit for cheap?

i like to think of limit hold em like you're the casino and the other players are your customers. you make them pay to hit their draws. sometimes they hit, most of the time they dont.
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04-14-2019 , 01:37 PM
Just had a horrible session last night where I kept losing to 2-3 outers over and over again. I just don’t know how you can win in this game when you don’t win as an 80-95% favorite over the course of the session. Sir you are running like god and I actually am happy for you for that, because I would not want to run how I ran last night.

I think I should have left after being down 2-3k but the game was so good. People kept on making stupid plays against me too and then getting there. Never had to deal with a session like that Sushi?
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04-14-2019 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh
Lol Is 3 betting and capping with at marginal hands in a / game the norm? funny you mentioned just got back a few hours ago and I got dealt AK 4 times in 3hrs of play tonight. I capped the **** out of it like you guys told me went 2/4 but I really should have won 3/4. Drunk guy called a 5 4 off suit in capped 4 way pot. Flop k 5 q two clubs I ram jam gets to 3bets on flop. Turn 4 I bet everyone calls, river 5 no clubs. he checks river the two players check and I reluctantly check behind thinking the river helped me but not 100% sure.

5 4 off suit lol makes a full house. Gonna run the numbers on this hand.

Ended the night with my win streak still intact $1377 in 3hrs.



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finally a strategy question ... bet the river
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04-14-2019 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks1
finally a strategy question ... bet the river
Exactly what I was thinking
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04-14-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
Just had a horrible session last night where I kept losing to 2-3 outers over and over again. I just don’t know how you can win in this game when you don’t win as an 80-95% favorite over the course of the session. Sir you are running like god and I actually am happy for you for that, because I would not want to run how I ran last night.



I think I should have left after being down 2-3k but the game was so good. People kept on making stupid plays against me too and then getting there. Never had to deal with a session like that Sushi?


I have. they make two outs on you no matter what you have and it’s brutal runner runner too. The dealer keeps giving u nut flush draws with a straight draw and u will miss both.(lol been there done that).

There are a few things I do to curtail my bad stretch. I won’t bet my nut draws and I’ll try to play for smaller pots. I’ll only raise in late position unless it’s AA. If one dealer is killing me I’ll ask for a set up during their deal so he has less time to deal. or I walk around the casino until they leave. During this bad stretch it’s very crucial to conserve chips until you feel your heater coming or win a big multi way pot. Tighten up your range especially from early bad position . Example: King nine suited, Q 10 from early is an auto fold .

If the game is good give yourself 5-6 buy ins (which I consider racks in whichever game u play). I always try not to exceed 4 buy ins because once you go over 4 it’s hard to win it all back in the next session.

Let’s see what else do I do when I’m stuck multiple racks. Since your range has tighten you will be sitting out a lot of hands, pay close attention to the game. I play a little game in my head and try to guess what every player is holding (you’ll be surprised how much this relaxes u and gives u confidence when you correctly guess everyone’s hand).

Don’t have a defeated mentality and keep thinking about how much you’re down. If you mentally beat yourself you won’t comeback. Keep thinking about the fishes in the game. They are gonna end up losing eventually. They are losing players losing thousands yearly. The most important thing to do is win a pot any pot!

Be prepared to play two days straight if you have to just limit yourself to 4-6 buy ins max!!! There are so many sessions where I was down to my last $100 but I caught my rush and ran over the table.

When you feel your rush coming on play everything. It’s so weird but you’ll hit every flop with any two cards and always get there on the river. This is when you can really start bluffing your opponents and check raise them when you think they are on a draw or second pair. Nobody likes getting checked raised especially against a guy in a heater.

After playing for so long you’ll start to see how your opponents play and I’m telling u it’s like they might as well play with their cards open because you can feel what they have and you might have discovered a few of their tells that they are aware of.

#believe in the grind

Good luck.

Also, during my win streak when the game looks bad if I’m up $600 in the first 30 mins I’ll leave and book a win. No need to play or waste time in a crappy game.







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04-14-2019 , 04:36 PM
Oh and I want ever tip the punk dealer that burned me for 5 racks even if I hit jackpot that night.

Never tip, until you’re up. They are all mostly rude dealers anyway.


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04-14-2019 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
Just had a horrible session last night where I kept losing to 2-3 outers over and over again. I just don’t know how you can win in this game when you don’t win as an 80-95% favorite over the course of the session. Sir you are running like god and I actually am happy for you for that, because I would not want to run how I ran last night.

I think I should have left after being down 2-3k but the game was so good. People kept on making stupid plays against me too and then getting there. Never had to deal with a session like that Sushi?
I feel you man. I had a cooler last night too. Table was super juicy so I recovered some and walked away with a lot of sklansky bucks overall but it was a rough night. I try to think of it like this, coolers put you in awkward spots where you can learn more and increase your edge. Silver lining.
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04-14-2019 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh
Oh and I want ever tip the punk dealer that burned me for 5 racks even if I hit jackpot that night.

Never tip, until you’re up. They are all mostly rude dealers anyway.


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Oh... Yeah must be troll
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04-14-2019 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DrHoldemPhD
Oh... Yeah must be troll


I’m dead serious. Why would I tip if I’m losing my butt off? There’s a lady that plays at commerce for a living for many years (plays $60/120, to $100/200 )

Never tips even when she’s up and wins a massive pot. Not even $1.

And she’s a proven yearly winner.


At least I tip well when I’m running good.


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04-14-2019 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DrHoldemPhD
Oh... Yeah must be troll


Have you played at commerce those dealers are rude af?


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04-14-2019 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh
I’m dead serious. Why would I tip if I’m losing my butt off? There’s a lady that plays at commerce for a living for many years (plays $60/120, to $100/200 )

Never tips even when she’s up and wins a massive pot. Not even $1.

And she’s a proven yearly winner.


At least I tip well when I’m running good.


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That describes half the Commerce regs
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04-14-2019 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh
Have you played at commerce those dealers are rude af?


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Who can blame them with how the players behave. It's a two way street.
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04-15-2019 , 01:37 AM
bbv
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04-15-2019 , 02:47 AM
Players that don't tip deserve to get hit by a transit bus.
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04-19-2019 , 02:29 AM
you need to keep your range pretty wide if you are playing regularly against pros or players that actually pay attention to tendencies.

But over the top LAGGY players get crushed by us winning players because it's an easy style to counter.

Don't commit to one style if you play against the same population of players, you need to adjust your style to your opponents and the table. Playing the same style every session is one way street to losing or breaking even.
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04-19-2019 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LHUCKS
you need to keep your range pretty wide if you are playing regularly against pros or players that actually pay attention to tendencies.

But over the top LAGGY players get crushed by us winning players because it's an easy style to counter.

Don't commit to one style if you play against the same population of players, you need to adjust your style to your opponents and the table. Playing the same style every session is one way street to losing or breaking even.


Solid advice. A lot of people in the $20/40 play the same way every time. It’s really easy to put them on hands and get them off a hand. That’s why even if I donk off some chips I’ll get out of line and do some weird stuff and show my bluff when I get caught.


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04-19-2019 , 06:44 PM
yep, you can make boatloads following that advise.
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04-20-2019 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Sushi Duh
Solid advice. A lot of people in the $20/40 play the same way every time. It’s really easy to put them on hands and get them off a hand. That’s why even if I donk off some chips I’ll get out of line and do some weird stuff and show my bluff when I get caught.
it's always a good idea to donk off chips and show your bluffs against opponents who are really easy to get off a hand
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04-22-2019 , 02:06 PM
i just want to jump in real quick with an observation, i played at commerce last month and noticed that people from 40/80 to 100/200 tip wayyyy less than "normal" like some people just never tipping and some people only tipping $1 on huge pots, and almost nobody tipping $1 winning a regular pot.

was this an evolutionary effect or did a lot of regs have some conversation/epiphany about dealer tokes and decide as a group to just stop tipping?
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04-22-2019 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
i just want to jump in real quick with an observation, i played at commerce last month and noticed that people from 40/80 to 100/200 tip wayyyy less than "normal" like some people just never tipping and some people only tipping $1 on huge pots, and almost nobody tipping $1 winning a regular pot.

was this an evolutionary effect or did a lot of regs have some conversation/epiphany about dealer tokes and decide as a group to just stop tipping?
it's definitely contagious. i feel like it's part of the natural progression that follows when a cardroom allows dealer abuse like commerce does. good dealers leave to work elsewhere, regs decide only to tip good dealers and the list of "good dealers" shrinks. rec players see regs not tipping and follow suit. mediocre dealers leave, only terrible dealers are left behind, and the snowball effect continues.
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04-22-2019 , 03:26 PM
yeah that makes sense. i was a little caught off guard because i thought the dealers were above average, so when all the regs aren't tipping i was thinking maybe commerce dealers got a different pay structure such that tipping wasnt recommended. turns out the regs are just douchey.
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