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Old 07-14-2020, 04:23 PM   #276
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Alan, I answered these questions pretty thoroughly recently in the micro forum in the "best books" and "marginal bb defend" threads. As far as modern theory, the main difference between now and the "golden era" from 2008-20111 is the use of solvers. But overall, LHE theory hasn't changes much in the past 10 years. My biggest concern for you would be the rake on Ignition below 8/16. It is absolutely astronomical to the point that the games may not be beatable even with armies of fish at the tables. WPN has a much friendlier rake situation, but the games are pretty crappy imo.

Checkraisdraw, there are just a lot of posers ITT... people who play 30-100 hours/year at Commerce and act like they know stuff. I certainly fall into this category.
i don't think they're too bad, just none of the regs will play anyone near competent. best thing about o8 is all the regs battle constantly, since every o8 player thinks they know something others don't
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:35 AM   #277
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Steve, I assume you mean that the WPN games are less crappy than I think. You may be right, as I have hardly played them. I am mostly going by the fact that every game has 4-5 multitabling regs. And some of those regs are guys who have been grinding Stars post-apocalypse who are quite tough. To me, it seems pretty gross that we have to even consider battling at 2/4-3/6. I always think of the 10/20 rake environment as being adequate for entry-level battling against weaker regs. But for ego battles, I def want 30/60+ where the rake becomes negligible. Fortunately, I am no longer spazzy enough to battle online. Winning reg battles sure feels good, but losing makes me feel like a total degen as I cry into my pillow.

I suppose with beast + rakeback + weak regs and the occasional recs, it can be decent. Maybe I am just spoiled by pre-bf Stars, pre-software idiocy Bovada, and live poker.

I am of the opinion that LO8 is a very low edge game compared to holdem. I could def be wrong on that one though.
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Old 07-17-2020, 08:08 AM   #278
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yeah, i generally try not to play below 20/40, as even the rake there is questionable, but results-wise it's been ok for me.
surprised to hear you don't play online anymore. honestly, i don't think i'll ever go back to playing live unless i'm forced into it. the only thing tolerable is 2-4handed, but then i'm expected to talk about sports, btc and/or tesla, etc or listen to whatever bluepilled intellectual dark web social/political takes everyone in the poker world seems to have. **** that
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Old 07-19-2020, 05:48 PM   #279
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O sweet karma



R u sure you are even +ev w playing that extra Btn?

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Old 07-21-2020, 01:03 AM   #280
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O sweet karma



R u sure you are even +ev w playing that extra Btn?

Thank you very much DonJuan

Can't wait until all your doubters ACTUALLY play you at min 2-300 BB HUHU live and/or online LHE

PS: Best of luck in Markets too since even passive investing probably profitable now although spread trading and politician info of large trades (available if able to script well) trading was 150%+ YTD last I checked w my best friend who never shorts
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:58 AM   #281
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It just occur to me that it been +5 months since everyone stopped playing live. Not sure any of guys I played with switch to online. But if anyone I played with want some advice on how to tackle online played just pm me. I can give at most 2 hours. What I will do is you tell me situations and I will come up with reasonable ranges and input into solvers. I will put the notes in Evernote and give you my thought on how to play semi balance on flop if you are the pre flop aggressive and semi exploitive if you are defend bb or against a three bettor. The turn and riv plays is mostly exploitive depending on type of opponents. Excluding multi-way since it just takes too much of my times.

This offer is only for people that I played w in philly/nj that I played with since most likely they are playing privates games and not on bodog. I am not trying to make games harder for myself
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Old 08-08-2020, 12:36 AM   #282
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Poor DonJuan... the man is so good that he can't post about poker without sharing insights that make the games tougher
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:24 PM   #283
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Actually I am working on a head up lhe content. Still deciding how much I want to price it yet. But what important is that I want to wait regs spend enough time trying to get better at head up and then release for max. f.u for grimming me.

p.s the fun part is figuring if I am bluffing or not. If I am not and you spend so much time studying it. I am going to dumb it down w the content that any any regs can copy. Wouldn't it hurt my bottom line? not really I am working on studying plo the same way I do with lhe so by the time regs catch up on lhe content I am already out.

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Old 08-16-2020, 02:26 AM   #284
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Gl with PLO DonJuan, but be warned... I have wasted an insane amount of time studying and playing big bet games and just never made it. I would have so much more money right now if I had just stuck with LHE. I feel like the modern NL and PLO pros are extremely strong on average. That being said, you are way less lazy than me. So your chances of success are greater. Best wishes woth your study and LHE crushing
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Old 08-16-2020, 11:02 AM   #285
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Thnks unguarded. Learning another game is personal. I am tired of other telling me I should learn plo. I am tired of myself telling other to learn plo. So much disrespect for lhe even though solvers is base on Cepheus. I was always suspicious of the variance for big pot game. Like my bankroll for lhe is 25k. Gonna need 4x that playing 2x less comparable stake.
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Old 08-18-2020, 03:40 AM   #286
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Thnks unguarded. Learning another game is personal. I am tired of other telling me I should learn plo. I am tired of myself telling other to learn plo. So much disrespect for lhe even though solvers is base on Cepheus. I was always suspicious of the variance for big pot game. Like my bankroll for lhe is 25k. Gonna need 4x that playing 2x less comparable stake.
Congratulations DonJuan!

Hopefully, one day I'll get a chance to donate playing vs you in LHE or PLO live once Vaccine found and Qurantine over

PS: I'm too lazy & poor to play live but enjoyed a little 20/40 half kill LHE and Omaha hi which was enjoyable especially for how sober I was that day (1st live during qurantine)


Lost like 500 that day playing my C game playing Omaha limit 1st time in my life but thankfully, broke game around 10am if I recall

Semi hit & ran two weeks ago at 20/40 half kill (2nd live during Qurantine) so maybe fine to challenge crazy BigO mix on Sun too
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Old 08-20-2020, 01:41 PM   #287
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I was reviewing a hand with cepheus and came across what I thought was odd. Can someone explain to me the logic here? I am specifically referring to the high fold frequency for ac9d, compared to the 100% call frequency of the other a9s.

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Old 08-20-2020, 07:21 PM   #288
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I was reviewing a hand with cepheus and came across what I thought was odd. Can someone explain to me the logic here? I am specifically referring to the high fold frequency for ac9d, compared to the 100% call frequency of the other a9s.

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Think Cepheus and Polarius are both outdated.

Would encourage sending PM to DonJuan
OR as experts say, get a Solver and do own studying sober

NOTE: Intelligent Poker Player by Phillip Newall briefly explains reason from GTO bot perspective of % based on combos.

PS: Sorry Sean Snyder, Don Juan, 9FingerShuffle, NinaWilliams (Ninawilliams my biaed best LHE pro ) will be playing Omaha Hi + LHE half kill on Fri SOBER. Goal is to smoke 0 cig during session but drink ton of coffee Any tips sans my plan to play only top 10% in Omaha Hi would be highly appreciated
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Old 08-21-2020, 04:23 PM   #289
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I‘be given up booze for 45 days as part of a diet, so I’m havinh a cigar outside. Makes me real high.

It goes without saying but you should either have the nuts or being drawing to the nuts in most pots, especially in multi-way pots. Given that this crowd is going to be playing wide, value bet a little thin if checked to. No one is folding a five high flush.
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Old 08-22-2020, 02:43 PM   #290
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Think Cepheus and Polarius are both outdated. Would encourage sending PM to DonJuan
OR as experts say, get a Solver and do own studying sober
Please explain how Cepheus is "outdated." The equilibrium for heads up LHE by definition cannot be outdated.

I assume the A9 with the ace of clubs is folding because the Ac is an important negative blocker.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:24 PM   #291
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Please explain how Cepheus is "outdated." The equilibrium for heads up LHE by definition cannot be outdated.

I assume the A9 with the ace of clubs is folding because the Ac is an important negative blocker.
do you mean that villain will be turning ac x into a bluff frequently enough that calling with a9o is warranted, whereas with acx there is not enough ace high bluffs that would warrant the same call?
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I‘be given up booze for 45 days as part of a diet, so I’m havinh a cigar outside. Makes me real high.

It goes without saying but you should either have the nuts or being drawing to the nuts in most pots, especially in multi-way pots. Given that this crowd is going to be playing wide, value bet a little thin if checked to. No one is folding a five high flush.
Much respect to no booze 45 days
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I'll probably start no booze again to reduce my beer gut.


Thank you very much for recommending drawig to nutz. Think still folded too tight pf w like JJT5 single suited SB when limped to me OR 9987 double suited UTG.

Won 1 omaha hand +90 overall. Left at 4am taking 0 breaks so improving on that at least but had 2 beers

Zoo animals played until 7am. Best friend was stuck 1k..left up 2k when he left 7am Best friend had probably 7 beers min when I left

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Old 08-23-2020, 11:04 AM   #293
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do you mean that villain will be turning ac x into a bluff frequently enough that calling with a9o is warranted, whereas with acx there is not enough ace high bluffs that would warrant the same call?
I think that is basically right. Villain's turn k/r range probably includes a lot of nut flush draws, but because you block all of those its turn k/r range is now substantially more value heavy.

Rewind the analysis, putting yourself in villain's shoes, and take a look at how it plays hands with the Ac in them. You will probably be able to get a better sense of why it is significant than my speculation provides.
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Rewind the analysis, putting yourself in villain's shoes, and take a look at how it plays hands with the Ac in them. You will probably be able to get a better sense of why it is significant than my speculation provides.

Villain checkraises the Ac7o Ac8o and ac9o with respectively increasing probabilities.
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Old 08-23-2020, 06:09 PM   #295
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Please explain how Cepheus is "outdated." The equilibrium for heads up LHE by definition cannot be outdated.

I assume the A9 with the ace of clubs is folding because the Ac is an important negative blocker.
Idk.

Made assumptions based on solver work now available equating to excellent winners even better (ex: DonJuan, avoidthe9to5, etc)
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:33 AM   #296
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From what I remember/understand, the version of Cepheus we can access online is within .10 BB/100 of a perfect solve. And the algorithm leads to a perfect GTO solution. It just needs to run for a few zillion more hours on a fast computer to make Cepheus perfect as well. So it is definitely not outdated.
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From what I remember/understand, the version of Cepheus we can access online is within .10 BB/100 of a perfect solve. And the algorithm leads to a perfect GTO solution. It just needs to run for a few zillion more hours on a fast computer to make Cepheus perfect as well. So it is definitely not outdated.
Thanks Unguarded!

Can't wait until you final table a big donkament once vaccine found & quarantine ends & you decide to bink one vs cash games

You're probably my #1 favorite player especially when it comes to your LHE advice, crushing both online & live, & +99% chance I'll donate to you if we encounter each other at Commerce, etc one day
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Old 08-24-2020, 02:30 AM   #298
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Idk.

Made assumptions based on solver work now available equating to excellent winners even better (ex: DonJuan, avoidthe9to5, etc)
Dude, I know your heart is in the right place but it is hard to take you seriously when at least half your posts mention your personal pantheon of poker gods. We get it. You REALLY like those guys. Back in the day we would say "get off their d**k" now that is kind of homophobic.

But I literally do not understand what you are saying. I think you are saying you assumed Cepheus is "outdated" due to the availability of solvers. Access to a solver is redundant w/r/t HU LHE because Cepheus already solved that game and you can query it. I think a solver only adds value for analyzing multiway games, to the extent we can solve those by narrowing the game tree with assumptions. I am stretching my knowledge here though. It might, for example, be possible to use a solver to develop better exploits because whereas Cepheus assumes villain is also playing at equilibrium, you can force a solver to assume your opponent is playing differently. That hurts my brain, though.
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Old 08-24-2020, 07:19 AM   #299
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Dude, I know your heart is in the right place but it is hard to take you seriously when at least half your posts mention your personal pantheon of poker gods. We get it. You REALLY like those guys. Back in the day we would say "get off their d**k" now that is kind of homophobic.

But I literally do not understand what you are saying. I think you are saying you assumed Cepheus is "outdated" due to the availability of solvers. Access to a solver is redundant w/r/t HU LHE because Cepheus already solved that game and you can query it. I think a solver only adds value for analyzing multiway games, to the extent we can solve those by narrowing the game tree with assumptions. I am stretching my knowledge here though. It might, for example, be possible to use a solver to develop better exploits because whereas Cepheus assumes villain is also playing at equilibrium, you can force a solver to assume your opponent is playing differently. That hurts my brain, though.

FYI I'm just a recreational poker player now that plays poker for side income & diversification of income source.

Can agree to disagree on value solver adds unless my misunderstanding of your 2nd paragraph.

Best of luck becoming next DonJuan studying Cepheus > Solver
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FYI I'm just a recreational poker player now that plays poker for side income & diversification of income source.

Can agree to disagree on value solver adds unless my misunderstanding of your 2nd paragraph.
Being a recreational player doesn't make your views any less valid. But you have provided 0 justification for your position. I am fine with "agreeing to disagree"; I don't care about convincing you.

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Best of luck becoming next DonJuan studying Cepheus > Solver
Hard pass on that.
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