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Old 06-30-2020, 07:28 AM   #251
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When you describe it like this, it makes playing with masks sound like a lot of fun to me! Thank you for the report.

On Bravo, it looks to me like there is rarely more than 1 40/80-60/120 game going outside of prime time on Friday/Saturday. And at odd hours, there may not even be a 20/40-60/120 game going at all.

Part of me wants to jump in since I love live shorthanded play so much. But I just need to see the covid cases drop back down to something reasonable before I risk it. I get sick about half the time I travel to a casino even when we're not in the middle of a pandemic.
You'll love Commerce Unguarded. My condolences for getting sick at card rooms

Imagine playing vs reg TAG + LAG + LAP fish with easily identifiable leaks easy to exploit from 20/40 - 60/120 range with 20/40 regs choosing 100/200 on certain days

PS: Commerce is one of best places for HUHU and 3-4 handed I've played live 60/120 (generally via must move and/or game about go break). Per my best friend, 100/200 game also looked juicy which I agree based on 20/40 bad reg playing it during MLK 2020 weekend
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Old 06-30-2020, 02:57 PM   #252
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I know lots of you guys are notoriously close-lipped about high-end strategy, but I thought I would ask anyway. This is a repost from the small-stakes LC thread:

I have been fooling around with low-stakes LHE on Ignition, and doing remarkably well, and am considering starting to put some volume in. The level of play I am facing seems bad enough for this not to matter, but I want to ask anyway:

Where does one go to learn the current state of GTO for LHE nowadays? Where does one find starting-hand charts. The most current I have is from Winning in Tough Hold'em Games, which is pretty fricking dated.

Is there solver output available for inspection? My own single stab at it has run into the difficulty that LHE game trees are elaborate enough that solutions call for much more memory than I have in this POS laptop has to offer, even after I have upgraded the memory.

Back in the day I had it beat into my head by the likes of MitchL that in heads-up pots preflop, the opener should never four-bet an in-position three-bettor, nor should the big blind ever three-bet an in-position opener, because by not reraising we keep our calling range uncapped, and that additional the small bet we give up is easily recovered on the flop with a checkraise. Is this still a thing, or have the good players moved beyond this?
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:14 PM   #253
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Are there more Commerce regs on here than I thought? Just probably not at the 20/40 level. Seems like you guys are playing 60 while I'm still chillin in the kiddy pool.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:19 PM   #254
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Alan, I answered these questions pretty thoroughly recently in the micro forum in the "best books" and "marginal bb defend" threads. As far as modern theory, the main difference between now and the "golden era" from 2008-20111 is the use of solvers. But overall, LHE theory hasn't changes much in the past 10 years. My biggest concern for you would be the rake on Ignition below 8/16. It is absolutely astronomical to the point that the games may not be beatable even with armies of fish at the tables. WPN has a much friendlier rake situation, but the games are pretty crappy imo.

Checkraisdraw, there are just a lot of posers ITT... people who play 30-100 hours/year at Commerce and act like they know stuff. I certainly fall into this category.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:36 PM   #255
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Thanks, UG, and that's good material you have posted. And I still have my collection of Deuces Cracked vids!
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:21 PM   #256
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Alan, I answered these questions pretty thoroughly recently in the micro forum in the "best books" and "marginal bb defend" threads. As far as modern theory, the main difference between now and the "golden era" from 2008-20111 is the use of solvers. But overall, LHE theory hasn't changes much in the past 10 years. My biggest concern for you would be the rake on Ignition below 8/16. It is absolutely astronomical to the point that the games may not be beatable even with armies of fish at the tables. WPN has a much friendlier rake situation, but the games are pretty crappy imo.

Checkraisdraw, there are just a lot of posers ITT... people who play 30-100 hours/year at Commerce and act like they know stuff. I certainly fall into this category.
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30/100 hours / year at Commerce is so helpful on bottom line though for TAG fish like me

Think DonJuan strategy posts on 2+2 one of best LHE content available with enough examples of Solvers he's used in past. Other posters such as DeathDonkey, OnTheRail15, Schneids, Bicyclekick, Unguarded, Avoodthe9to5 also very helpful but sans Ungusrded, rest rarely posts anymore
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:20 AM   #257
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Are there more Commerce regs on here than I thought? Just probably not at the 20/40 level. Seems like you guys are playing 60 while I'm still chillin in the kiddy pool.
I'm 100% poser as Unguarded indicated. I'm simply a recreational poker player that occasionally plays poker for side income

My main game is 20/40 half kill in midwest. Typically only play 60/120 @ Commerce if I start running good or bad during trip

PS: Commerce 20/40 regs and Bellagio regs are by far worst live LHE regs I've seen. Not much of exploitation expert but the regs have so many bad habits easy to exploit in my experience
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:27 AM   #258
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Thanks, UG, and that's good material you have posted. And I still have my collection of Deuces Cracked vids!
Deuces Cracked videos should be archived and saved inside a treasure chest in my biased opinion

PS: Sean Snyder twitter posts 2020 on past hands he's played were epic and somewhat strategy posts. There were some phenomenal ones like Sean folding 2nd nuts for 1 bet on river HUHU which I thought was interesting to consider since game flow / meta can create -EV choice being correct in low %

Also, ton of other posters who still does post with phenomenal examples recently.

*Example 1 ROBOPROP 80/160 thread
with BicycleKick comments*

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I open raise middle position with 10 10.
Cut off and button flat called as did big blind.
Flop J 7 3 rainbow.
I bet, all call...
Turn = K all check around...
River = 3 Board J 7 3 k 3.
bb check, i check, cut off bets, button folds, bb check raises!

info: cut off is weak rec player capable of ck/rz bluffing river.
BB is very knowledgeable tricky regular capable of bluff raising river...

I won't tell you what i did yet and why, but the end result and logic by all involved was very interesting...
*Example 2 JLot, WillyT, Bob148 Comments Jlot Thread 200/400 hand #4 thread*

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Button opens, SB 3bet, we cap with A3 in the BB. All call.

Flop: Q8Q
Check, we bet, call, fold.

Turn: K
We bet, call.

River: 7
We check and fold.


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I'm aware of the equities as I've put in the time with equilab vs various ranges. However, as you note, we are forced to fold sometimes which means we need more than 29% equity to play full stacked poker. since there is no clear way to quantify the difference between (raw equity) and (realized equity), then we should focus on understanding the latter better.


i agree with this entirely.

let me rephrase this the way I think about it: hj raise with 25% range(i think its tag range) and i defend slightly wider than this range around 30-40% depending on how much equity this particular opponent will allow me to realize. the structure is essentially the same as the opening range(same general shape in equilab) but my kickers go a notch or two lower than the opening range.

while this is intuitive, its not a measure of profitability.

its not that youre wrong, its that your approach to using equity is incomplete. you must keep learning about equity realization to better understand where the money is coming from in a hand of poker. here's a thread that really helped me to grasp the deeper meaning of the profitability of individual hands:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...alization+yaqh

it gets really good when yaqh(2+2 author will tipton) comes in and sets the record straight.

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Old 07-01-2020, 05:37 AM   #259
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does anyone with a track record of winning at LO8 cash games coach LO8?
looking for someone who beats midstakes or online games (so not loose passive games where u get 5+ ways to a flop)

just looking for someone with solid basic strat that works well over a decent sample size

will swap strats in other games (LHE or Stud8) or pay for lessons
pm me. ty
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:55 AM   #260
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does anyone with a track record of winning at LO8 cash games coach LO8?
looking for someone who beats midstakes or online games (so not loose passive games where u get 5+ ways to a flop)

just looking for someone with solid basic strat that works well over a decent sample size

will swap strats in other games (LHE or Stud8) or pay for lessons
pm me. ty
Would recommend sending PM to Sean Snyder on 2+2 and/or Twitter.

Figure he has one and/or know someone in mix games he plays for LO8.

PS: Confident Mix game involving BigO, LHE, Pineapple, Chinese, 5 card draw NL, archie, triple draw, badacey, badeucey PLO flips, min X drinks per hour 2020 mix game of choice if possible post Qurantine. Ideally with overs which I'm not sure works for all games above
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:50 PM   #261
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My biggest concern for you would be the rake on Ignition below 8/16. It is absolutely astronomical to the point that the games may not be beatable even with armies of fish at the tables. WPN has a much friendlier rake situation, but the games are pretty crappy imo.
Yeah, I get it about the rake. I recall analyses from back in that 2008-2011 golden era indicating that rake made anything below about 5-10 really beatable.

My sense is that the games on Ignition are *really* good right now at the level I am playing ($0.25-$0.50 and $1-$2). Even though the rake is high, I am pulling 9bb/100 over a laughably small sample size of a thousand hands.

For the most part, my sense is that games just aren't going on WPN.
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Yeah, I get it about the rake. I recall analyses from back in that 2008-2011 golden era indicating that rake made anything below about 5-10 really beatable.

My sense is that the games on Ignition are *really* good right now at the level I am playing ($0.25-$0.50 and $1-$2). Even though the rake is high, I am pulling 9bb/100 over a laughably small sample size of a thousand hands.

For the most part, my sense is that games just aren't going on WPN.


Agree with Unguarded 8/16 or below take would be difficult.

However, 9BB/100 is amazing! Congratulations on becoming the next DonJuan of 2020 AlanBostick

PS: May deposit like 3k on Ignition and reopen HUHU until bust Challenge of
> Multi table HUHU 10/20 cash via 6max + one HUHU LHE SNG (if still available)
> 3-4 table (when 6max / 9max fills & running good) with at least 1 HUHU SNG going

Think last time went 3k - 25k > dumped it all back if I recall (4-5 years ago one pre Ignition only).

Great times but probably going to go hiking with my wife to State Park instead of deposit again during July 4th week

On bright side, congratulations DonJuan + others since I imagine you crushed online LHE and the markets this week and last

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Old 07-02-2020, 01:42 PM   #263
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What’s the rake?
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Old 07-02-2020, 08:13 PM   #264
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What’s the rake?
Poker Rake and Limits | Ignition Casino
https://www.ignitioncasino.eu/articles/poker-rake

Not sure if valid but you'd crush it ninefingershuffle

Best of luck at that 15 game Horseshoe 100/200. Too poor so just decided to wait until I grow courage to head to Commerce again pre Vaccine
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Old 07-03-2020, 03:17 AM   #265
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I just noticed that the LA poker rooms all got shut back down yesterday. That didn't last long.
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:17 AM   #266
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Instead of complaining about getting grimmed I decided to follow the stoic philosophy and only control what I can. So now for every time I get grimmed on bodog. I am going to sit an extra hour that I would usually quit after waiting for 30 mins on empty seats.

We going to start with this brand new month.

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Old 07-03-2020, 01:30 PM   #267
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What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 07-03-2020, 02:04 PM   #268
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does anyone with a track record of winning at LO8 cash games coach LO8?
looking for someone who beats midstakes or online games (so not loose passive games where u get 5+ ways to a flop)

just looking for someone with solid basic strat that works well over a decent sample size

will swap strats in other games (LHE or Stud8) or pay for lessons
pm me. ty
Where i play. O8 usually goes off 3-5 handed most hands. I think 80 is on the higher end of midstakes, it plays pretty similar to redchip most days. Fwiw
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Old 07-03-2020, 05:10 PM   #269
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DONJUANIMAL!

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Old 07-05-2020, 01:46 AM   #270
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DONJUANIMAL!
Congratulations DonJuan

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Source: DonJuan comment of his new anti grim strategy 2020
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Old 07-06-2020, 11:16 AM   #271
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The U.S curve looks like a pro that use to be good going through a long breakeven stretch and then rediscover solver. Brazil is obviously just on a heater w plo.
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PS: Commerce 20/40 regs and Bellagio regs are by far worst live LHE regs I've seen. Not much of exploitation expert but the regs have so many bad habits easy to exploit in my experience [/QUOTE]



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care to elaborate on the bad habits you have experienced that are exhibited by the Bellagio regs?
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Old 07-06-2020, 05:47 PM   #273
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care to elaborate on the bad habits you have experienced that are exhibited by the Bellagio regs?
20/40 regs.
Too many ABC TAG style poker you can play optimally quite easily via changing gears finding spots where TAG is likely fold based on action, board, game flow.

Easiest were REG tilted badly after 12 - 1am or so chasing losses by calling down too light and/or playing too tight PF & postflop 4-5 handed.

60/120 regs.
Too much fancy play syndrome where playing ABC TAG seems to be able to make it profitable.

Both too short of samples and Conmerce way better in my biased opinion
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:03 PM   #274
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Thank you.
Used to play the 10-20 when it ran there.
Now play the 8-16 at orleans (when I get to Las Vegas)
Wanted to try the 20-40 so I appreciate the intelligence on the game texture.
Hard to find limit anywhere
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is there rakeback or signup bonuses or anything i should know about on ggpoker
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