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Old 01-01-2020, 03:27 AM   #1
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New year.... new thread.

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Old 01-01-2020, 09:08 AM   #2
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happy new year and good luck to all!
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Old 01-01-2020, 10:38 AM   #3
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:27 PM   #4
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Very OT but highly considering quitting current job then moving to Milwaukee from Chicago.

Tax atrocious in Chicago especially to buy house / condo in Chicago.

Does anyone play at Pottawatami in Milwaukee know if LHE game stills runs 30/60 or comparable weekly?

May decide to quit LHE to exclusively play NL or PLO if LHE nonexistent at Pottawatami
I can't speak to the games at Potowatomi or anywhere else in the midwest; but limit hold'em is not getting more popular. I would recommend putting time into either or both NL or PLO to take advantage of more games.
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Old 01-01-2020, 01:22 PM   #5
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Happy New Year everyone!
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:28 PM   #6
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We can only hope to contain you in two forums. One isn't enough.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:24 AM   #7
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I can't speak to the games at Potowatomi or anywhere else in the midwest; but limit hold'em is not getting more popular. I would recommend putting time into either or both NL or PLO to take advantage of more games.
Thank you for recommendation AlanBostick!

LHE and NL at Pottawatami are the best games I've ever played in midwest so will make best effort basis to play what's available if I move
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Old 01-05-2020, 01:09 PM   #9
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Well at least complaining about getting button helps w my boom switch. My secret wish is actually have Fuzzywuzzy/slimslimmy keep sitting at head up at least people knows lhe still runs.

Goal for 2020 wrap up my lhe study while planning trip to Canada/Asia to take on those Euro beasts. Planning on playing more live too. I always learn something new and it should help me work on memorize mix pre flop strategy since I can't just open up phone sharing at my crotch.
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Old 01-05-2020, 01:31 PM   #10
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Well at least complaining about getting button helps w my boom switch. My secret wish is actually have Fuzzywuzzy/slimslimmy keep sitting at head up at least people knows lhe still runs.

Goal for 2020 wrap up my lhe study while planning trip to Canada/Asia to take on those Euro beasts. Planning on playing more live too. I always learn something new and it should help me work on memorize mix pre flop strategy since I can't just open up phone sharing at my crotch.
Congratulations DonJuan on epic December! Absolutely love your graphs that looks like Pipe Dream graph

Hopefully you'll be able to make trip to Canada/Asia & also play some live LHE!

OT 1: My best friend going to Commerce / Bike again next week around Jan 16th - Jan 19th so hopefully you can make it DonJuan

OT 2: Got destroyed at 20/40 half kill playing 9pm Fri to 1:30pm Sat. Epic 16 hour session if I did math right. In turn, I'm not making it to LA Jan 16 - 19th unless I Pipe Dream session next week like DonJuan
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Old 01-05-2020, 10:24 PM   #11
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Thanks I was hoping someone would come in and tell me it more likely I have a 0/Bb win rate than 20/BB or maybe some CEO that makes 500k a year telling me I am wasting my time with my skill set I could be changing the world.
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Old 01-05-2020, 10:33 PM   #12
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But the honest truth is I feel bad for spazzing. Probably my first few post was due to tilting about losing a sport bet and reading some dumb ass comment. Add in a lack of sleep and I just like to randomly spaz the last few. Sometime I don’t realize that this forum is real people that exist in real life. Also I am still Butt hurt about all the hidden comments that I suck before from all the old timer. Plus I asked for stake from a few regs before and ignore straight when I was struggling years ago. Don’t worry it not like I remember this stuff while I grind/study.

P.s I am super insecure..

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Old 01-06-2020, 12:11 AM   #13
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that graph...I've never seen anything like it at lhe. wow. nice!
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:21 AM   #14
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Thanks. Just variance. I always go on downswing right after I post graph. But it so beautiful I will never get another upswing in a month.
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Old 01-06-2020, 02:02 AM   #15
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Couple of funny hands from my last session.

Open black tens utg+1 in a 7 handed game. Only caller is the bb, a very special type of agro donk. He bets in the dark. That’s right, just call and then bet in the dark.

Flop J 8 8 hh. I call.

Turn J 8 8 K hhh. He bets, I call.

River J 8 8 K 2 hhhh. He bets, I call.

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Next interesting hand. There’s a post in the HJ in an 8 handed game. Utg limps, I limp with QTo (premium in this game), next in raises (another aggro donk that usually plays 8/16 and plays almost every hand), everyone except the sb calls. 7 ways to the flop.

J T 4 r. Check to pf raiser who bets. Bb utg and I call.

Turn J T 4 K r. Checks to pf raiser who bets, bb calls, fold, I call.

River J T 4 K 6. Checks to pf raiser who bets. Bb folds, I call.

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Old 01-06-2020, 04:20 AM   #16
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But the honest truth is I feel bad for spazzing. Probably my first few post was due to tilting about losing a sport bet and reading some dumb ass comment. Add in a lack of sleep and I just like to randomly spaz the last few. Sometime I don’t realize that this forum is real people that exist in real life. Also I am still Butt hurt about all the hidden comments that I suck before from all the old timer. Plus I asked for stake from a few regs before and ignore straight when I was struggling years ago. Don’t worry it not like I remember this stuff while I grind/study.

P.s I am super insecure..
Lack of sleep plus spazzing online ftw in my opinion DonJuan and wish you did is more often as one of your biggest fan if not the biggest

Ecstatic to hear you Sports Bet since these NFL wild card games were wild and think my best friend made a grip / decent chunk and/or mega EV on future sports bets on NFL.

P.S.: Think every LHE player is insecure to an extent as I still am from when I used to prop on AP & UB onward

PPS: Lack of sleep + coffee outweighs most drugs I've ever done, especially on 24+ hour sessions live and/or online
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Old 01-06-2020, 01:08 PM   #17
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My insecure is make worse by the fact that I know people only tolerate my spaz because I crush. So my only temporary happiness is by constantly studying sim. Poker is fun when you don’t lose but it doesn’t make you more happy by winning a lot.

Also there a few guys that starting to do what I did when I start getting serious enough. The question is it too late? The environment has changed a lot past few years. In order to be efficient you need a good study method and also test your theory by getting in not just a few common spot but at least +100 different spot from btn vs bb, bvb, sb vs btn. Also head up is important but some of Euro guys are able to skip. They probably worked out a more efficient method than me to learn since I suck at pot odd and now I change my mind about alpha-1 defense since it seem to be quite important on River. So now I have to relearn more throughly.

I feel like that South Park episode of WoW where they got kill by that dude and got pissed so they just stick to training by kill boar to level up. This is how the feel my past few years insecure in my ability and constantly training until I catch up. While top regs got lazy and stop training I keep on questioning and testing my skill against anyone that would play me head up and or any table that pop up on bodog.

Also getting my ass kick when I start playing live help so much. Some of the most demoralizing time driving home +1.5 hour after getting crush for +12 session. I have to build up new mental representation for live plays. And force me to work deeper on the “tree” instead of the “forest”.

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Old 01-06-2020, 07:29 PM   #18
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My insecure is make worse by the fact that I know people only tolerate my spaz because I crush. So my only temporary happiness is by constantly studying sim. Poker is fun when you don’t lose but it doesn’t make you more happy by winning a lot.

Also there a few guys that starting to do what I did when I start getting serious enough. The question is it too late? The environment has changed a lot past few years. In order to be efficient you need a good study method and also test your theory by getting in not just a few common spot but at least +100 different spot from btn vs bb, bvb, sb vs btn. Also head up is important but some of Euro guys are able to skip. They probably worked out a more efficient method than me to learn since I suck at pot odd and now I change my mind about alpha-1 defense since it seem to be quite important on River. So now I have to relearn more throughly.

I feel like that South Park episode of WoW where they got kill by that dude and got pissed so they just stick to training by kill boar to level up. This is how the feel my past few years insecure in my ability and constantly training until I catch up. While top regs got lazy and stop training I keep on questioning and testing my skill against anyone that would play me head up and or any table that pop up on bodog.

Also getting my ass kick when I start playing live help so much. Some of the most demoralizing time driving home +1.5 hour after getting crush for +12 session. I have to build up new mental representation for live plays. And force me to work deeper on the “tree” instead of the “forest”.
Much respect DonJuan on your dedication to study Sim to that level which for sure I argue is only the best of the best can achieve.

I'm confident you will start crushing live in the near future and prey you will head to LA one of these big tournament times when you can keep jumping up stakes to play atrocious TAG or LAG HUHU.

Ex: My best friend went from 60/120 to 100/200 HUHU @ Commerce last month when 60/120 game got HUHU & TAG fish wanted to bump stakes.
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Old 01-06-2020, 11:31 PM   #19
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My insecure is make worse by the fact that I know people only tolerate my spaz because I crush.
I believe we were friends when you didn't crush. Having met maybe a hundred (hundreds) of people who around here, most folks are really decent people. People tolerate other people, because they're mostly nice. Your results are yours. Don't compound sadness about results with thinking about loss of friends. Real folks are real, no matter how the poker goes.
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In order to be efficient you need a good study method and also test your theory by getting in not just a few common spot but at least +100 different spot from btn vs bb, bvb, sb vs btn. Also head up is important but some of Euro guys are able to skip. They probably worked out a more efficient method than me to learn since I suck at pot odd and now I change my mind about alpha-1 defense since it seem to be quite important on River. So now I have to relearn more throughly.
Efficiency is a trap, imo. You spend so much time thinking about the "best" way that you miss out on "any way that works". I had a really good martial arts coaches who put it this way, "You are where you are. Everyone starts somewhere. Some people are really talented. Some have related backgrounds. However, you are you. You just do one day at a time to get better. If that makes you happy, you win." One of them was on two olympic teams, so maybe she ran really well? Or solid pro?
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I keep on questioning and testing my skill against anyone that would play me head up and or any table that pop up on bodog.
If that brings you joy, sure. You're a pro, trying to make money to put bread on the table. If that's your plan for doing that well, I wish you luck. In my 50 trips around the sun, I can tell you the word "should" brings a disproportionate amount of misery. If that's your path do it. If it isn't, fine. The idea of should be doing? That's confusion and despair.
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Also getting my ass kick when I start playing live help so much. Some of the most demoralizing time driving home +1.5 hour after getting crush for +12 session. I have to build up new mental representation for live plays. And force me to work deeper on the “tree” instead of the “forest”.
You have to play better than most live players. You have years and years of strong results against tough competition. There may be some spots where everyone (but you?) knows that Player X doesn't have skill Y in his game, so you don't have to... Also, going nuts over 300-500 hand samples? You know way better than that. You can run bad for more hands than that. You can run like the sun for 10's of thousands. Go run like the sun for 40 hours live and report back.
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Old 01-07-2020, 05:40 AM   #20
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don juan any chance you'd post your 3+ handed bovada graph ?
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:42 AM   #21
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I believe we were friends when you didn't crush. Having met maybe a hundred (hundreds) of people who around here, most folks are really decent people. People tolerate other people, because they're mostly nice. Your results are yours. Don't compound sadness about results with thinking about loss of friends. Real folks are real, no matter how the poker goes.
Efficiency is a trap, imo. You spend so much time thinking about the "best" way that you miss out on "any way that works". I had a really good martial arts coaches who put it this way, "You are where you are. Everyone starts somewhere. Some people are really talented. Some have related backgrounds. However, you are you. You just do one day at a time to get better. If that makes you happy, you win." One of them was on two olympic teams, so maybe she ran really well? Or solid pro?
If that brings you joy, sure. You're a pro, trying to make money to put bread on the table. If that's your plan for doing that well, I wish you luck. In my 50 trips around the sun, I can tell you the word "should" brings a disproportionate amount of misery. If that's your path do it. If it isn't, fine. The idea of should be doing? That's confusion and despair.
You have to play better than most live players. You have years and years of strong results against tough competition. There may be some spots where everyone (but you?) knows that Player X doesn't have skill Y in his game, so you don't have to... Also, going nuts over 300-500 hand samples? You know way better than that. You can run bad for more hands than that. You can run like the sun for 10's of thousands. Go run like the sun for 40 hours live and report back.
I agree with most of your post except maybe this part where I think where you might missed my point. It true that in beginning what important is just starting and creating environment where you don't have to use too much willpower to force yourself to improve. It good to have small wins etc. But the difference from the very good to elite is more than just motivation. I think it has to do more with being efficient with how you train ex. you can solve multiplying by doing addition or division by subtracting. I don't think it going to be a very efficient way to solve the problem. There a couple of books that teaches way to train yourself to be more efficient.

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I agree with most of your post except maybe this part where I think where you might missed my point. It true that in beginning what important is just starting and creating environment where you don't have to use too much willpower to force yourself to improve. It good to have small wins etc. But the difference from the very good to elite is more than just motivation. I think it has to do more with being efficient with how you train ex. you can solve multiplying by doing addition or division by subtracting. I don't think it going to be a very efficient way to solve the problem. There a couple of books that teaches way to train yourself to be more efficient.

Thanks for this.

First for epic pipe dream graph I argue any LHE player would kill.for

More importantly, I strongly agree with your theory on efficiency of training. I've always had a phenomenal motivation in my career but motivation doesn't solve per unit value I'm adding to clients and the company I work for.

Derailed with nonpoker related issues last sentence but if its possible to script data sets fir Solvers, I suspect it makes it much more efficient to analyze the key metrics. May not apply since this relates more so what my best friend does for work in regards to delegating and having foreign programmes build automated scripting of large data which may apply to Solvers?

Regardless you'll always be my favorite DonJuan sans DeathDonkey who I am eternally grateful for from brief LHE 1-3 hour coaching I received onlonr like 10 years ago.

PS: Really hope Ninawilliams is crushing souls now via Solver in ALL games
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Per idea of mix games I read via Sean Snyder online & my.best friend reccomendation, played an epic 3 handed home game tonight.

*1st Hour*
Dealers Choucs that started at LHE & NL

*2nd Hour*
LHE & PLO & Drawmaha

*3rd Hour*
Big O & Omaha NL & Deuce to Seven

*4th Hour*
Omha NL & Chinese & LHE

Ended night with PLO flips until 1 player had all the chips

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Old 01-13-2020, 03:50 PM   #24
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Sounds like fun!

...especially if you were the one that ended up with all the chips.
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Sounds like fun!

...especially if you were the one that ended up with all the chips.
Unfortunately got buried @ PLO flips but thankfully, got my NIT TAG whale friend to start to love Omaha NL, PLO, & PLO flips
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